I see... Using the trill to get the "Shake" effect, that's very cool indeed. So Mike, is that how you achieved the "Brass Fall", using the phrase section in the arp? Man I'm liking it, but how do you program that in reverse... so at will there's a scoop up, scoop down or the shake? I'm kinda getting the trill but the doit is evading me... need help from the maestros out there. thanks