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  1. Hi there, its One Man Band again trying to seek information on the WK 1800. I'm looking for something similar to my 3800 to use as a spare, and found a WK 1800 for $50.00. Looked thru the manual and can't confirm it has drawbar organ where you can select the tones you want and store, not can I tell if it has Leslie in the same way as the 3800. Also it there anything else I would need to know about this that the 3800 has, but the 1800 doesn't have. Is it and earlier model of the 3800? Thanking you in anticipation.
  2. I did what you said and it worked OK. I now realise that initially when I pressed synth to see if the attack was at 20, I should have pressed the split button first, to get back to 701 (sax) . What I was looking at was Fingr Bas 133 and of course the attack would be at zero. (Silly me - wish I was younger) To check, I brought up 254 Sax and listened to it, I then brought up 1-3 (sax with 20 attack and definetly noticed the difference. I have done this many times - tried to alter parameters without firstly pressing Split to get back to the main instrument I'm trying to adjust. Now that we've got that out the way, how are we going to get better EP sounds and more sustain on Piano?. I can squeeze a little bit more Growl (Nord/Wurlitzer) out of my basic EP sound by putting the cut off Freq. to 63 and reasonance to 45. But despite everything you have to play low down on the keyboard - too high and too cheesy I'm afraid. Often I'll use transpose to get down on the keyboard and to suit my vocal range. Sometimes my musical friends hear the synth strings at the end of my piano sound and blame it on the Piano sound which actually I think is OK. And now to Jokeyman, American screwdriver is a slang term for using a hammer to belt in a screw rather than using a proper screwdriver. Are you absolutely sure you have undone all the screws on the 3800?. Some of the screws look as though they are not to be undone when in fact they are. Hey Guys - I really want to keep the 3800 for the drum flexibility and sounds, Hammond sounds, size, weight etc but can I perhaps "Import" some EP and Piano sounds out of another Keyboard into my Casio.? Incidently I am that embarrassed about playing one I put a "Shure" mic sticker over the label as some of my friends "Hate" me using a Casio.
  3. Thanks Ted. I guess I should go through the process exactly to make it easier to understand. 1/ Find the tone I want, lets say 254 Breathy Sax - Press Store and hold while I select the bank & registration (say Bank 1 registration 3). 254 has now been saved to 1-3. 2/ Establish the drum beat and roughly the speed, move this to the same registration (1-3) Usually I have to finely adjust the drum speed (its Global - is that the word?) because I don't have enough storage for all the different drum beats I use. 3/ Bring up Fingr Bs 133 and store in 1-3. So when you look at the screen you only see Fingr Bs 133 at all times. ( Fingr Bs 133 is the only Bass sound I use.) This way I don't have to press "Split". I have done this for all 32 available to be stored and it is made up of say 2 E/P's c/w drums and Bass on split, ( 1 is 033 trem. EP, the other is 36 ) 10 Piano c/w different drum beats & Bass (always use 009 with Syn strings as a pad cause Casio doesn't on)12 226 Trombone(seems a lot doesn't it but I use it quite a lot on instrumental songs) 2 guitar, 1 Accordian., 1 Flute, 1 user Hammond sound, 1 Church Organ (that sound is quite magnificent) 1 Chapel organ. Just looking at the ones I've got stored I think I will do away with storing Accordian, Flute, and the 2 Church organ sounds as I hardly ever use them and can bring them up manually if need be, as theres no rush. (people won't be dancing) I will apply them to more E/P & Piano with more drum beats than already stored. See how you go. Kevin
  4. Hi Ted, Loosing the reverb only happened once. Don't know why. However I have know worked out I loose attack 20 when I move it to registration, I loose it when I put the 133 Bass tone in which I do last. Attack 20 is in registration OK,but as soon as I add 133 Bass (for my split) attack 20 disappears. I always put Bass in last because if I don't, I have to press split all the time. This way its ready to go. So when you look at all my registrations (all 32) you will see Fingr Bs 133 on the display. I have done it this way for the last 5 years. Help!!
  5. Hi Ted, Thanks for advice on user tones capability and EQ. Ventilators shocked me. Why would anybody want to hook up a Leslie simulator.? Re attack, I did what you said and it worked but now I have lost reverb on sax? Kevin
  6. To reply to Teds 2 posts and Jockeyman. Firstly Ted. I managed to set up the User tone (701) as you suggested and then, saved it to my usual registration- Bank one, number three. This was all good but when I pressed Split (in order to add in my guitar Bass (133)) then pressed Store and "three", I checked to see if the "attack was still showing 20. Unfortunately the "attack 20" had reverted back to zero? Can you explain how to overcome this.? Is it because I cannot save Sax, Bass, Drums, Drum speed under a user tone?, but just the tone itself (sax in this case). If I could then I would have 100 set ups all ready to go just by pressing 3 digits on the keypad. This would help to solve my problems re storage. Secondly, what is Ventilators? Does this mean a ventilated bass reflex cabinet.? Also what is EQ? Is this referring to the tone controls on my amplifiers. To let you know, I use a Peavey KB2 and if I am playing in a bigger venue I use 2 coupled together. Thirdly I compared a user tone 733 to 033 and it was exactly the same? I understood 700 - 800 were different tones.? And now to Jokeyman, the 3800 will come apart - have you heard of American screwdriver? - keep perservering. I played with a band 2 years ago for a one off show and had my Hammond plus the Casio. I used the Casio thru the Leslie cabinet because it had transpose and I couldn't be bothered playing Booker T and the MG's "Hang em High" with 3 chord changes - No one could tell the difference including myself.!! With EP on the 3800 I use (036) EP1 with Synth strings or (033) Tremolo EP but they are a bit flutey and I want to add a bit more growl if I can use that word. I wonder if I can layer with Piano very softly to do this? I have experimented with Tone settings on my amp as I think you have mentioned and have the Treble set at about 75% but also the Bass at 75% in order to get adequate Bass volume. Comments please. Kevin
  7. Hi Ted, Thanks for your post. Firstly I have already tried increasing the release time to get more sustain. I understand what you mean but it still does not do the job properly. Even with the sustain pedal pressed down, the length of the tone disappears very quickly especially when you get higher on the keyboard. Its like the sustain pedal is doing absolutely nothing, that's why I try to keep low down on the keyboard when I'm playing. As regards the 7600 and trying to do a fill followed by a variation change, as you say you can very quickly hit 2 buttons to do the job, but I haven't got time to do that - if I was younger I might be able to, but playing the guitar bass line forbids me from getting complicated. Very interested to know how to store attack. When I usually store tones, I firstly get the tone up that I want to store ie, Piano, E/P Sax etc etc, then I press and hold the "Store" button while pressing the bank number that I want it in. This works fine but this method will not allow me to store "Attack". I can make the adjustment OK but when I go onto another bank for a different tone, and then revert to my stored Sax tone, Attack has reverted to "0". I'm sure I read in the handbook that attack could not be stored, but looking thru the book again I can't find the page where this was on.?? I don't know anything about doing the job your way - seeing numbers like 700 and scrolling thru on the + - buttons are totally foreign to me. When I normally set up to play a song, I firstly select the number that applies to the song I've stored. i.e it might be 3/8 which means 3 of the 8 registrations available and 8 which is 8 of the 8 banks (or is it the other way around) The setup shows up - the instrument, the bass, the drums and sometimes transpose. Often I have to alter the drum speed because 32 stored sounds is insufficient, hence me wanting more storage. I wouldn't have to ever alter the drum speed if I had say another 20 storage available. So you can see why I stuff around inbetween tunes. I should only ever need to press 2 buttons and away I go. Could you kindly explain how to do it your way - I got lost when you said "to select the user tone location where you want to store it" I have never renamed a user tone, or used user tone location numbers. Finally re the Krome, as I said the Piano and E/P are a little better, but the real Hammond sound (ist 3-4 drawbars) was not available and as I used to be an organ player in Bands I couldn't live with the Krome. Kevin
  8. I'm addressing this to Tnicoson and Jockeyman 123. Firstly I got the 7600 on loan for a week and returned it the other day. I will do more investigating into the EQ on the 7600 to try to bring out the bottom end and give the tones more body, however I still do not feel the drums are as realistic as the 3800 and the 7600 won't do a one button hit to do a fill and subsequent pattern change. As regards the trial I did today on the Korg Krome I have this to say; Krome has slightly better piano sustain (hang on) plus slightly better E/P. However, Drawbars on the organ are not adjustable and none of the organ sounds are ones that I usually use. On my Hammond (sitting out in the shed) I used to only use the first 3 - 4 drawbars to get the characteristic screaming Hammond sound of yesteryear and I can do this in the same way with the 3800 including 2 2/3rd's or 4 ft percussion including length and volume (I think from memory - correct me if I am wrong) The Leslie in the Krome is similar to the 3800 however. ( Note that the more expensive Kronos has a better Leslie in that it copies the sound of the top rotor slowing and starting up quickly cause its lighter and the slower stopping and starting of the bass rotor that is a lot bigger and heavier, which is very impressive) The Kromes drums I still don't feel are as realistic as the 3800 - probably similar to the 7600. Also the Krome will not do a drum fill and pattern change on the fly which you are aware I have on the 3800 and use all the time. The Sax sound on the Krome, for me anyway, is not as good as the 3800 "Breathy sax" (254) that I use all the time when playing swing instrumentals. Whilst on that sound, I find I cannot use sax on the 3800 unless it is a swing feel, because it is a little too jerky. I can tone this down by pressing "Synth" and moving "Attack time" to 20. Unfortunately it seems I can't save this to a preset as the instructions say. I wish I could?? Anybody know? Moving onto Brass and I use 226 Mellow Trombone a lot on the 3800 and couldn't find anything as Fat on the Krome although some of the other brass sounds were impressive but a little bit thin and not enough body to be able to be used in a situation on their own . i.e. (Guitar Bass on with Drums) Guitar sounds were similar to the 3800. Weight on the Krome is similar to the 3800 but size on the Krome was slightly narrower. So what will I do.? Due to the fact that I can't do drum fills and pattern changes on the fly with the Krome without programming, the Hammond sound doesn't suit me on the Krome, I don't think the drums are as good on the Krome, nor is the Sax and Trombone, I feel I will stick with the 3800 even thought the Piano and E/P are slightly better on the Krome, as is the size. I will pass on Tnicosons comments to my expert about increasing memory on the 3800, but may try again with the 7600 in order to get more bottom end. I must say however that if I were younger, I would probably buy the Korg Kronos but it is a bit impractical at over 20KG's. The sounds I think are better in all areas even though they make the comment that sounds are taken from the Kronos and into the Krome. Am I imagining this? Thanks for all your comments - keen to keep up the dialogue to get your thoughts.
  9. Thanks for confirming memory problems on 3800. I am today going to try out the Korg Krome and although I'm told it is not a One Man Band keyboard, friends say I can use it and in order to have drum flexibility I can use drum backing tracks to get fills and pattern changes if I really want them in a tune. I guess this is no worse than what I am doing now - it just means I will have to stick to a pattern. I'm sure the Piano and E/P are better than the 3800 ( more hang on in Piano) and the Organ will be as good if not better. To answer your questions re the Leslie remote foot switch and another footswitch to bend notes (downwards about 1/2 a semitone) all you need to do is to run a resistor (in both cases) across the potentiometer that the 2 wheels are attached to on the L/H side of the keyboard. and merely switch the resistors on or off across one side of the moving arm, to the moving arm itself. You will need to experiment with the values (start by looking at the resistance of the pot. itself) and go from there. I could pull my keyboard to bits and tell you the exact values but there are dozens of screws to undo so am a bit reluctant. Install 2 guitar sockets right by the 2 wheels and I suggest soldering the resistors to the socket and running the 2 twin cables back to the pots. Just use a normal footswitch to switch the resistors on and off. The Leslie footswitch needs to be held down when using Fast ( which incidently should be around 6 revs per sec) but if you didn't want to keep pressure on the footswitch in fast mode, you could change the microswitch in the pedal to get one press On, another press Off. (Slow speed should be 1 rev per sec). My 3800 needed adjusting speedwise when I got it. I used to make Tone cabinets similar to "Leslie" Will keep everybody advised on what happens today.
  10. Thank you for very informative reply. Re memory, I was hoping I could plug in a floppy disc (or an SD card?) to get more memory - seems this is not going to work.? I believe there are better EP sounds and improved piano sustain (especially higher up the keyboard) than the 3800 can offer and I have been advised to try a Korg Krome and if I want to do drum fills followed by a pattern change, I could do this on a backing track - just means I would have to stick to the same arrangement every time. While I get satisfaction out of not using backing tracks and probably would not want to play otherwise, I guess I can go with this idea as the drums are automated at the moment anyway. For other songs where I don't need fills and pattern changes, apparently the Krome will do this.? (Has it got auto start when you hit the first bass note?) What do you think.? Re the 7600, I tried to fatten up the sound by applying more Bass on the external amp, but this didn't seem to work as I had hoped, as the Bass notes (on Split) were too heavy.!!) Note that I only use guitar style bass patterns on split. Pity the 7600 is not going to solve my problems and I love the size, weight and feel of the keyboard Look forward to your thoughts.
  11. Since my last post I have looked back at some of the comments on the 3800 and 7600 especially in the drum area. Several comments are that the 3800 rythyms are sorely missed which kinda verifies my own thinking. I am now thinking of keeping the 3800 (see my post yesterday) but can anybody tell me how to get more memory.? I am not computer literate and at the moment I can store 32 (4x8) different instrument/drum beats/drum speed/etc but I need more. I want to be able to dial up say 3 digits and bring up the settings for about 300 songs. At the moment I am wasting time between tunes when I play professionally having to firstly dial up say Bank 2 and then the registration number. This is OK, but usually I have to re-adjust something such as the rythym speed and it wastes time, plus sometimes I forget something. Experts in the area I live doubt whether I can get more memory - one is scared of losing the settings I already have, so is reluctant to try. One of the biggest problems with the 3800 is the lack of natural sustain on Piano making it hard to play. To get over this I always use Piano with synthetic strings (and E/P the same) that you barely only notice at the end as they are at less volume than the 7600 ( that I wouldn't use.) This helps to compensate for the lack of sustain.Even with the sustain pedal, it doesn't "hang on" as much as I would like. Regardless, I have noticed there are very few 3800's for sale second hand - I wonder why?? Maybe its a good keyboard as I always thought it was. I purchased it initially for the Breathy Sax sound that I thought was quite amazing compared to other boards, I thought I would stick it on top of my Hammond. Now I am gigging with this keyboard for the last 4 years and a few colleagues think its a bit of a joke and I should be playing a Nord or something.!! Quite frankly I accept the Piano and E/P are a little better on those more expensive boards, but they don't having decent drum sounds and other features such as being able to press one button which produces a drum fill before going onto a more complex rythym that incidentally the 7600 apparently can't do.? Is my age the problem ? (65) I have modified the 3800 with a remote footswitch for the Leslie plus another footswitch to bend notes 1/2 a semi tone (for Shadows music etc) and installed a device to the side of the keyboard so I don't have to cart around a mike stand. Didn't mean to get so involved but got carried away. Any comments please?
  12. I'm considering a new Casio7600 but wonder if the general tone of this keyboard is harsher than my old 3800, particularaly on Brass Mellow trombone for example. Also the drums don't appear as good as the 3800, and I can't seem to be able to press one button to get a drum fill and subsequent pattern change (from verse to chorus etc) Elect, piano is slightly better with more choices, I split the keyboard and play guitar style bass but find I have to transpose the split section up I as compared to the 3800.?? I also notice that using the pads under either Piano or elect piano are harsh on the 7600 - can these be modified to be in the background more.? I need more memory as the 7600 has 3 times that of the 3800 plus I like the smaller size and less weight. I'm concerned that the 7600 sounds in general are not as "Fat" as the 3800.? Can anybody advise me.?
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