Jump to content
adimatis

Why WOULDN'T one buy MZ X500 ?

Recommended Posts

Hi friends,

 

Despite the title of this topic, do not get mad at me! :) I think there is a ton of reasons why one SHOULD get a X500. But these we all know, some better than others, for some more or less relevant reasons. But on the other hand, are there (realistic) expectations that might be missed by X500 once you lay hands on it? If you are an owner already, would you buy it again? If not, what would be your main reason not to?

 

I am trying to see are there issues that might be so serious that they'll turn my decission... Not that this isn't perfectly subjective matter... :)

 

Fell free to share with me. I am kean to know.

 

Thank you!

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

For not buying X500 there are not only expectations missed by it. Sure there are such high demanding people. But there are also people with lower expectations/demands, maybe less creative with songs, tones and rhythms (like me), who don't nead hex layers and many illuminated multifunctional pads with chord progression. For them there is X300 here.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

For the money nothing better out there so I would buy it again.

Creativity is up to musician not instrument so for me MZ can do all I need and yes I would buy Kronos or Montage if I could to have it why not.

Would my music be better I doubt it.

Question is can MZ do what I need ?

 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The only "issues" I see with the X500 are that it is not available in 76 keys 'yet' and the keybed might not stand up to heavy use (gigging). Neither of these are issues for me. 

 

On the software side of things, I would really like it if factory tones were re-writable. It's the one feature I miss from my Korg PA. ;-)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Rick, weren't you (or maybe you're still) member of korgpa forums too? I realise now I might have seen your name in there maybe? I myself am a member there, but have not posted in years I think. I used to have a Pa50. And btw, somehow, X500 reminds me of the sound of Triton engine... Which I quite enjoyed!

 

On topic, I was actually thinking of that - should I wait for a possible 76 version? I know there is a strong demand for that, or at least strong suggestion to Casio, but it's obviously hard to anticipate what they might do or not...

 

Have you seen this? I quite like Casio sound... less polished in a sense, more discreet efx, but not bad. I think the general eq adjusting could help taking away a little bit of the muddiness and make it more open sounding. But I like how it holds on. And I like drums better than Roland - figure that out! ;)

 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Yes, I've been a member over there for several years. Not very active there now though. Still answer private mails from time to time. ;-)

(I still own a PA600 and Kronos 2) 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I've figured it out in the meanwhile - in fact you were a very supportive and friendly member there, just as here too! ;) Thanks again for that! :2thu:

 

If it was to compare X500 with pa600 (which I had the chance to play some months ago):

1. What does break button? Does it simply pause (Roland style) of introduce a short fill-in (Korg style)?

2. Would you call the keybed lighter or similar?

3. Touch screen as responsive or less?

4. Build quality similar? Worse? Better?

5. The bass from the built in speakers?

 

Leonh, that is exactly the point! I am ready to actually accept some little shortcomings, because for the money, there isn't anything close. Feature list is so long and good - sounds are good, style are good too. I wonder what's the catch? :):) 

 

I appreciate all your replies! Thanks!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

1. The break button can be programmed with a complete pattern tone/rhythm/drums that comports with the Style. 

 

2. Key bed is bit more organ like --- 'Hammondish'

 

3. Touch screens are comparable, both are resistive. The Korg is a 4-wire and like the X500 I find using the back of my fingernail most efficient.

 

4. I'd say the build qualities are comparable with a very slight edge to the PA600

 

5. Here I give the edge to the X500. Not a factor for me as I use studio monitors with plenty of bass near field.

 

p.s. I'm still lusting after the PA4X, wish I had purchased it vs the Korg Kronos 2 ;-)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I wonder what's the catch? :):) 

 

You asked there is none but in name simple as that Casio has to offer more for less money due to "real musicians" sneering at name if you remember Casio FZ 1 sampler (I had one ) it was most advanced for its time 16 bit sampling when others had 12 bit only and cheaper with very good keybed multiple outputs etc and it wasn't successful not because of quality but as I said above name.

Now how many of people in this forum would buy Casio with 76 keys like Privia and 10 gig of samples all bells and whistles but for serious price like Kronos or Montage even though quality would be the same🤔.

So there is no catch just a lot of features for not much money.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

If money matters, then it's all about what compares for a similar price.  Myself I don't care much about the arranger features, and the only other board that made it to the top of my list is the Roland FA-06.

 

However, the FA-06 has one of the shizziest keybeds I've ever felt, and that was a buying decision, refused to be saddled with that action.  The action on their x500 may be an issue, time will tell.  I've seen that even the same models (variations on the WK series) had noticeably different actions, some better than others, so i don't know if i trust the consistency for their keybeds.  There have been some people here who have complained of very noisy keybeds on the X500.  I guess i lucked out, mine is relatively quiet, and i hope that doesn't change over time.  I have a WK 7600, and over the course of several years the keybed loosened up in a way that makes it less enjoyable and accurate to play (i play noticeably sloppier on it).  That said, I've been really pleased with the keybed on the X500, i get decent dynamics out of it and feel in control.

 

Overall I have to say I'm pretty blown away with the X500.  It's by far the most user friendly board I've ever owned (I have a Nord Stage, but that doesn't count, it doesn't have a sequencer, etc.), which makes learning it and discovering what it can do pretty natural and fun.    The onboard speakers are surprisingly powerful- at first i didn't think so, but then i discovered it has bass eq assigned to one of its knobs, and that brings the full sound forward. And the hex layers are a blast, with the six "organ" sliders you can adjust the volume of each of those layers and create your own Hex tones pretty easily.  And the pads feel great, once again, good dynamic sensitivity for playing expressively with your fingers.  And ther quality of sounds- hard to quantify, but overall they're big, full sounds, and the efx are really decent

 

Is money a major consideration for you, and if so what are the contender boards you're considering?  And what do you use your keyboards for?

 

Randy

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I'd say my main consideration, when it comes about costs, is not the price per se, but the value you het for the money. So, it is really the cost effectiveness that I am interested in. And X500 ticks that box!

 

I think Pa600 would be the only other option. But I think a newer model would need to be out soon, as this has been out for a while now... And Roland Ea7 is good but keybed is terrible I thought. I was turned down by the size and quality.

 

So, the main atraction is the value for the money! ;)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Quando eu ia comprar meu teclado se tivesse visto demonstrações reais entre o Roland EA-7 e o MZ-X500 ou participado de algum fórum  sobre um e outro eu não pensaria 2 vezes e optaria pelo EA-7 sem pestanejar. Comprei meu MZ-X500 pelo que a propaganda dizia sobre 256MB de ram mas me decepcionei com a falha de alguns instrumentos Samples quando adicionava outros. Alguns chegaram a ficar mudos. Hoje eu não compraria mais teclado arranjador da Casio.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
34 minutes ago, gvdreis said:

When I was going to buy my keyboard if I had seen real demos between the Roland EA-7 and the MZ-X500 or participated in some forum about one and the other I would not think twice and would opt for the EA-7 without blinking. I bought my MZ-X500 by what the advertisement said about 256MB of ram but I was disappointed with the failure of some Samples instruments when adding others. Some even became dumb. Today I would not buy more keyboard arranger from Casio.

 

A classic case of "The Grass is Always Greener" syndrome.  ;) (sometimes expressed as "Buyer's Remorse")

 

Example: "Many of you have heard the old saying that the grass is always greener on the other side.  I can picture a farmer leaning against a wooden fence with a straw hat on examining the condition of his grass.  As he looks down, he sees bare patches and other blemishes in his field.  Looking over the fence to his neighbor’s field he sees nothing but green healthy growth.  What this farmer doesn’t see are the many blemishes in the neighbor’s field because he’s not standing in it but looking at it from a distance."

 

The E-A7 is not without its own blemishes. ;)

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The E-A7 simply stands for Samples.
Taking the Samples out of memory it's a slightly improved ROLAND E-50.
No wonder the ROLAND EA-7ter placed Sampler and have withdrawn the Resources of SUPERNATURAL and SRX.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Verdade. Como demos do MZ-X500 também são impressionantes, kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk. Cada marca mostra só qualidades de seus instrumentos.

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I have a mini collection studio with synths, arrangers and pianos, from vintage to new models.

I play for pleasure, have reasonable experience and demanding expectations.

 

The more I explore, the more I like the MZ's friendliness and specially its flexibility.

Its potential is better found from fun, investigation and intuition than from its relatively "dry" manuals.

 

I'd definitely buy it again.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now

×