Mike Martin Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Let me rephrase. Any fans of old Genesis? Just curious. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Null Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Not a big fan of Genesis. Too "corporate" a band. I preferred Gentle Giant, ELP, PFM, Yes, Kraftwerk, Passport and a lot of progressive Italian bands from the 70's. Then again when Peter Gabriel left Genesis, THEN he started to shine. I've loved just about everything he's done since. Gary 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmoovJazzy55 Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Yes, and Phil Collins too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Arend Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 love genesis, older and newer, like the band boston, they got that corporate label, never understood that. It's just music. But that's just me I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zymos Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 How is Genesis more "corporate" than say, Yes??And to answer Mike's question: hell yeah! Has anyone seen that old video that started making the rounds a few years back? Shepperton studios 1973- you can find it on YouTube I think.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlenK Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 I'm a fan of old Genesis and an old fan of Genesis. Heck, I even like some of the Collins era stuff. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmoovJazzy55 Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Another favorite band of mine is, The Moody Blues. I loved the smooth sound of Justin Haywards voice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Null Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 How is Genesis more "corporate" than say, Yes?? Yes pretty much created the genre and style. Genesis came along later as a corporate "knock-off" pretty much copying their style. At least IMHO... Gary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlenK Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Yes pretty much created the genre and style. Genesis came along later as a corporate "knock-off" pretty much copying their style. At least IMHO...I have listened to a lot of Yes over the decades. I have listened to a lot of Genesis over the decades. I never ONCE thought that Genesis was in any way copying Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zymos Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Yes pretty much created the genre and style. Genesis came along later as a corporate "knock-off" pretty much copying their style. At least IMHO... GaryWell, you are entitled to your opinion, but I don't think that claim is supported by reality. They are not even slightly stylistically similar, musically or in lyrical/thematic content. I like them both, in fact Steve Howe is one of my all time favorite guitar players. I'd never even thought of comparing the two bands before, they are just so different.Are there any specific Genesis songs that sound like a "knock-off" of a certain Yes song? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simus35 Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 like genesis, Boston, Pink Floyd all the band from 70's they have keyboard player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Null Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 The way I saw it, being a teen at the time, first Yes appeared on the underground radio stations with songs like Roundabout and Close to the Edge, then Genesis came on the scene a couple of years later with Selling England by the Pound, manufactured by the record companies and played to death on commercial radio. Honestly, even to this day I cannot tolerate listening to that song. Also Rick Wakeman's keyboarding in those days absolutely blew away anything Gabriel was capable of at the time. Again this is only my opinion. YMMV. Gary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Null Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 PS. To be fair, Styx was a "corporate"" band too, but I still enjoyed some of their stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zymos Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 Also Rick Wakeman's keyboarding in those days absolutely blew away anything Gabriel was capable of at the time.Again this is only my opinion. YMMV.Gary Since Peter Gabriel only did vocals and occasionally flute, I must agree that Wakeman is better at the keyboarding.I really don't understand why you insist that Genesis was "corporate" and "manufactured by the record companies"- they were like most progressive bands of the era ( oh, except for Yes, with their radio hit of the shortened version of "Roundabout" ) - hardly anyone listened to them and they only got played on the college stations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Null Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 Like I said, I wasn't a fan of Genesis and don't have any in my collection. Who did their keyboards? Compared to Wakeman it was crap. EDIT >>> Never mind. Just looked it up. Tony Banks played their keyboards. Mediocre compared to Keith Emerson, Rick Wakeman or Derek Schullman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zymos Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 Like I said, I wasn't a fan of Genesis and don't have any in my collection.I'm thinking a thread titled "Any old Genesis fans?" might not be the best place to comment then... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlenK Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 Gary,You're entitled to not like Genesis or Tony Banks but you probably won't find many like-minded souls here. And for the record I quite like "Selling England by the Pound". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Null Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 Sorry. Just chiming in with my humble opinion on what I thought was good in the old prog rock 70's. Perhaps it would have been simpler if I kept my mouth shut, but the joy of music is that every opinion is a valid one. Let's agree to disagree and still be friends, yes? Gary 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlenK Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 Of course! It need not even be said. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jokeyman123 Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 Wow, good thing nobody asked about the "1910 Fruitgum Company". Or "Moby Grape". Big fan of Peter Gabriel who has done some very interesting keyboard production work-sampling, textures, not as a soloist but more as a "sound engineer". As far as Banks-wasn't he more of a "hook" creator-played thematically whereas Emerson or Wakeman who were obviously going for the virtuosity. I still like "3 Sides Live". Afte that, I think Collins went for the Disney production values, guess he liked the big money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zymos Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 There's a great Yes DVD, think its on Netflix- Songs from Tsongas 35th Anniversary. Howe's playing is just spell binding- I can't even express how masterful it is, and Anderson's singing is really strong, even after all these years. Wakemen? He was there too, they show him a few times, but it's like he's almost an afterthought. Obviously he was an important component to their overall sound, but I've never felt he was as essential to the band as Howe, Anderson or Squire. I think most people remember him as a "virtuoso" cause he wore the cape and had a whole bunch of keyboards around him in that concert film in the 70's.I'd suggest anyone who isn't impressed by Banks' playing might need a refresher. "Firth of Fifth", the solo on "In the Cage", the organ solo near the end of "Supper's Ready"- just 3 off the top of my head...So, without using Google- who WAS the keyboard player for "Moby Grape" or "1910 Fruitgum Company"??That's probably why they aren't the topic of this thread! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Null Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 At the risk of inflaming yet someone else's ire, I also have to put in a word for Renaissance's John Tout. Abso-F***ing-Lutely one of the greatest keyboard players of this or any other age. Tune in around 37:00 when they really start to warm up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlenK Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 I'm just guessing but I think it's clear he had a few piano lessons here and there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phrozenlight Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 just saw this threadI am a fan of Genesis, the Peter Gabriel period that is, with Phil it just became a pop-band.Best albums are Trespass, Foxtrot & Nursery Cryme.Yes was also good, but Klaus Schulze & Hawkwind were/ are my favourite bands Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettM Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 I really like those Scree 1 and 2 patches from the Leads and Basses pak Mike. Riding the Scree was one of my all time synth favourites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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