XW channel 1 plus Sseq possibilities.

[XW-Addict]

That channel 1 has quiet a dominance over all the other channels I've noticed trying lots of things with the G1 myself 

You either assign a solo-synth to it or an instrument whatever is done that channel 1 does the most I'm not completely,

sure when doing interesting stuff with the "Controls" in step-sequence like assigning the available CC of the XW to do effects

and draw those out I had to make sure that instrument getting that has to be on channel 1.

 

Aside from assigning CC to the knobs K1 to 4 in performance mode which make the value change for lets say Cutoff and resonance.

In Sseq you can draw them to each 16 steps in control channels 1 to 4 this makes for desirable effects when you want lets say the 

Cutoff going up or down between certain value's. Doing that to each control channels makes interesting effects for pad sounds excluding the instruments channels that is makes the Sseq for an extra effect module. 

 

Depending on what I select on channel 1 in a performance patch I can do solo-synth with dsp and none or all for the other zones,

Or do all zone 1 to 4 instrument with dsp and have a Sseq doing CC effects on zone 1.

 

However panning it out on the full range of zones I could have the Sseq do CC effects on zone one arpeggio on zone 2 and 

phrase on 3 and have zone 4 have CC effects through the knobs K1 to 4 it in whichever range or combination.

 

It would be nicer if zone one could have solo-synth and assign Sseq CC effects on zone 2 or whichever zone I want it but I guess its switchable with multi-key assignment to only change instruments or solo-synth  and drawing solely effects in Sseq pattern 1 to 8 to the controls and switch for say with multi-key Sseq Effect module1 with another called Effect Module 2. but it still will end up in channel 1

 

Every time I discovered something to do differently on the XW the way I make music on it changes considerably.

 

(Oh I forgot that CC messages can also change instruments doing that on each pattern in Sseq instead of multi-key also an option.)

[AlenK]

I'm frankly confused by your post. Are you just musing about the possibilities or wondering if you've overlooked something? FWIW, a given control track of the step sequencer can be programmed to control any one of parts 8 to16 instead of part (zone) 1. Alternately, if you elect to control a knob function with a control track you can program a performance to have the knob function affect only one of the zones 1 to 4 (or any combination). So there is some flexibility there.

[XW-Addict]

I'm frankly confused by your post. Are you just musing about the possibilities or wondering if you've overlooked something? FWIW, a given control track of the step sequencer can be programmed to control any one of parts 8 to16 instead of part (zone) 1. Alternately, if you elect to control a knob function with a control track you can program a performance to have the knob function affect only one of the zones 1 to 4 (or any combination). So there is some flexibility there.

 

No its not musing its the step sequence in combination with performance is a bit complex and hard to explain because of the many things possible but doing it right is another thing. The controls have only been affecting channel 1 (zone)1. Whatever is on that channel the controls will affect.

 

There is no point in selecting a knob to the controls it will do nothing to zone 1. The only thing that controls handle are CC that can directly affect a tone or solo like resonance ,Cuttof or lowfreq etc. And Sseq let you assign knobs once so if you assign K1 to control 1 thats it you cant do K2 for control 2 and so forth. 

 

If I would select a knob I could only draw out the value that that knob can vary on but it would mean controlling an external midi device or something.

 

If there is a way to select the controls to other zones then zone 1 and use them on  8 to 16 parts, I would like to see how that is done and to which mode it is done either in performance mode or step sequence if you know how I would like to see how and while at it also how to successfully use NRPN  cause that I have not figured, All off the above I've done.

 

(P.S you can download the Radius8Spark performance patch from the forum download) and the step sequence as a zip from the share your music part of the forum i've added a demo that demonstrate the controls maybe that will broaden what I've tried to build and work out) If you also have a PX5S can you tell me how many controls the PX has per zone to use.

 

really would appreciate that. 

[AlenK]

XW-Addict, I'm afraid I really don't understand what you are saying. Some of it seems to contradict what I know from experience can be done with the sequencer but because of the language barrier (I'm guessing from previous posts that English is not your first language) I can't be sure.

Perhaps Mike's upcoming tutorial video will address some of this or otherwise help you do whatever you're trying to do.

Can anyone else help XW-Addict?

[Mike Martin]

XW-Addict,

I admit, I'm having a hard time following you too.  I'll clarify a few things.

 

The Step Sequencer has 4 Controller Tracks.  These are labeled CTL1 through CTL4.  If you press Edit on the Step Sequencer, you can access the Track Parameters for each of the Controller Tracks.  This is where you determine the "Control Channel" or the Destination MIDI Channel.   This can be other Step Sequencer Tracks which are MIDI channels 8-16 or 1-4 that are typically assigned to zones 1-4.   All four tracks could also be assigned to a single MIDI channel too.  As an example you could be controlling Filter, Panning, FX, or Envelope time all perhaps while you're playing the Solo Synth live.   To determine which Controller messages (CC#'s) are used on each Control Track, you edit the Step Sequence and choose STEP Edit.  Then you can dial in the Parameter or Controller number you want for that track.

 

They physical knobs on the XW series can NOT control anything except the first 4 Zones (typically MIDI channels 1-4).  There are on/off switches for each of the zones, so Knob 1 can control Zone 1, Knob 2 Zone 2...etc. 

 

In regards to the PX-5S, it has more physical controls that can be assigned and each one of those controllers can do 2 things at once.  So ach of the sliders (6 of them) and knobs (4 of them) can each do two simultaneous things. There are even minimum and maximum values for each.  It is pretty slick. 

[AlenK]

The Step Sequencer has 4 Controller Tracks.  These are labeled CTL1 through CTL4.  If you press Edit on the Step Sequencer, you can access the Track Parameters for each of the Controller Tracks.  This is where you determine the "Control Channel" or the Destination MIDI Channel.   This can be other Step Sequencer Tracks which are MIDI channels 8-16 or 1-4 that are typically assigned to zones 1-4.   All four tracks could also be assigned to a single MIDI channel too. 

 

Mike, you have just now and several times in the past equated the XW's use of the word "channel" with a MIDI channel.  But I have verified by experiment that the "channels" you can select as destinations for the control tracks (1, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15 or 16 but not 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 or 7) are not MIDI channels.  They are actually what I will call "mixer parts".  This is where the manual and the XW's menu text fails us.  Part, track and channel are often used interchangeably in the manual and in certain places in the menus. In the context of the step sequencer channel does not refer to MIDI channel.  

 

The proof is that you can change the output MIDI channels and/or the input MIDI channels to whatever you want on any of the "mixer parts" the step sequencer is playing without affecting the way it plays back the internal sounds. I just this moment tried it to double check (my test sequence used two control tracks, each changing a clearly audible parameter on separate audio tracks).  If the destination "channel" of a control track was actually a MIDI channel this could not be true. 

 

There is a direct mapping or "hard wiring" (although it's probably all code) of the sequencer tracks to the mixer parts except for Solo1, which can choose to play either mixer part 1 (=Zone 1) or mixer part 14.  That mapping is shown in the diagram on page E-50 where Casio unfortunately implicitly refers to the mixer parts as channels (by using "8ch", "9ch", etc)  The diagram also doesn't illustrate the part 1 or 14 choice for the Solo1 sequencer track. The MIDI channels assigned to those parts for the current performance are completely independent of this mapping.  You are free to change both the input MIDI channels and the output MIDI channels to whatever you want.  None of that has the slightest affect on the way the step sequencer plays the internal sounds or controls them via the control tracks.  Try it yourself.  Or contact the engineers in Japan for confirmation.   

[XW-Addict]

XW-Addict,

I admit, I'm having a hard time following you too.  I'll clarify a few things.

 

The Step Sequencer has 4 Controller Tracks.  These are labeled CTL1 through CTL4.  If you press Edit on the Step Sequencer, you can access the Track Parameters for each of the Controller Tracks.  This is where you determine the "Control Channel" or the Destination MIDI Channel.   This can be other Step Sequencer Tracks which are MIDI channels 8-16 or 1-4 that are typically assigned to zones 1-4.   All four tracks could also be assigned to a single MIDI channel too.  As an example you could be controlling Filter, Panning, FX, or Envelope time all perhaps while you're playing the Solo Synth live.   To determine which Controller messages (CC#'s) are used on each Control Track, you edit the Step Sequence and choose STEP Edit.  Then you can dial in the Parameter or Controller number you want for that track.

 

They physical knobs on the XW series can NOT control anything except the first 4 Zones (typically MIDI channels 1-4).  There are on/off switches for each of the zones, so Knob 1 can control Zone 1, Knob 2 Zone 2...etc. 

 

 

 

Mike, you have just now and several times in the past equated the XW's use of the word "channel" with a MIDI channel.  But I have verified by experiment that the "channels" you can select as destinations for the control tracks (1, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15 or 16 but not 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 or 7) are not MIDI channels.  They are actually what I will call "mixer parts".  This is where the manual and the XW's menu text fails us.  Part, track and channel are often used interchangeably in the manual and in certain places in the menus. In the context of the step sequencer channel does not refer to MIDI channel.  

 

 

Thank you for you're patience and understanding I'll admit its very hard to cover even trying,  I should have been more specific and clear about the subject, Appreciate you commenting about it its indeed in that line of thinking "Midi channels" aside as AlenK comment they more mixer parts. 

What I've struggle to explain is when those mixer part -> channels are being used by Step sequence with Performance mode.

 

Long story short I've been using CTL1 to 4 only as additional Fx sequence in Step sequence using CC messages it seemed to me they controlled only zone 1 in performance mode if I played it. That why I thought its only usable in zone 1 , channel 1 "Mixer part".