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I bought a WK-7600 about 8 months ago. There's a modulation button that is use to add vibrato to tones. I really like it but...using it, you wind up losing one hand. I thought I could edit a DSP instead and use that vibrato with any tones and with both hands. Problem is...seems there is no parameter in editing a DSP that involve vibrato. There's a tremolo parameter but it isn't cutting it. Vibrato parameters seems to be exclusively to edit tones. Any idea?

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Gillang

 

You can do what you want to do.  You are just looking in the wrong place.  As you have already discovered, vibrato is not an option in the DSP settings.  As you have also noted, vibrato is applied at the TONE level, rather than at the DSP level.  Instructions for editing tones begins on Page 44 of the manual, but bare with me here, and we'll get you started.

 

Power the WK-7600 ON and select the tone to which you want to permanently apply vibrato.

 

Press the TONE EDITOR button.  This takes you to Page 1 of 8 of the TONE EDITOR.

 

Press the RIGHT ARROW ( > ) button once.

 

Press the DOWN ARROW ( V ) button to highlight "Vib. Type" and use the  + / - buttons or the data wheel to select the type of vibrato you want.

 

Press the RIGHT ARROW ( > ) button once again and set the "Vib. Depth".

 

Press the DOWN ARROW ( V ) button and set the "Vib. Rate"

 

Press the RIGHT ARROW ( > ) button once again and set the "Vib. Delay"

 

Go to Step 6 in the right hand column of Page 46 in the manual to name your creation and save it as a User Tone.  Press EXIT to return to the home screen.

 

You now have your tone, not only with permanent vibrato, but with permanent vibrato with the parameters of your choice.

 

Now. let's say in a given song, you want to switch between three different tones and be able to toggle the vibrato on and off on each of them during live play.

I will use Registration Bank 1 as an example.  Put non-vibrato Tone-1 in Reg 1-1 and vibrato Tone-1  in Reg 1-2.  Put non-vibrato Tone-2 in Reg 1-3 and

vibrato Tone-2 in Reg 1-4.  Put non-vibrato Tone-3 in Reg 1-5 and vibrato Tone-3 in Reg 1-6.  You now have three different tones for which you can toggle

the vibrato on or off at the touch of a single button.  Go ahead - splurge ! ! !  You've got a WK-7600, so you have 100 User Tone slots and 96 Registrations,

so I don't think you will run out too soon.  I realize you were looking for a global vibrato that you could toggle on/off for any tone, but I am afraid that this is

about as close as you are going to get, unless someone has figured out a way to "latch" the MOD button, and if they have, without using Duck Tape or a five

pound paper weight, I hope they pop in here and enlighten us all.

 

Best of luck !

 

Regards,

 

Ted

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Thanks! Six months ago,I went the duct tape way with an aluminum cam mechanism. It works perfect...it just look weird a bit. One real wonder why Casio hasn't made that modulation button as a 3 way switch...full off,full on and then ony on when you press it. It's an omission but...nothing compare to not providing a MIDI in MIDI out socket.

P.S. In fact, the duct tape was just to have this temporary...waiting to see how I would like it, When I will be completely decided that I keep this keyboard (2 keys have started clicking slightly after 6 months...but nothing compare to my WK-1250 and my ex WK- 210 that had all their keys clicking) I might just screw it permamently with 3 screws in the plastic body.

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The part that I do not understand is that, for the improved "professional" image that Casio was supposedly trying to project with the new CTK/WK-6XXX/7XXX units, abandoning the MOD WHEEL of the older WK-3XXX models for the MOD BUTTON of the new units is actually a step away from a professional level keyboard.  Roland still takes a lot of heat from some sectors of the market for its combo Pitch-Bend/Modulation joystick.  Since the "professional" level XW units DO have both a pitchbend and MOD wheel, it is apparent that Casio still looks at the CTK/WK models primarily as home-hobbyist units.  I think that is a very big mistake on their part.  While having a real MOD wheel would probably not scare off a hobbyist, not having one could certainly be a deal-breaker for someone looking to break into the field with an affordlable professional level arranger workstation.  Thankfully, I kept my WK-3800 when I got the WK-7500.  I still find uses for it, as there are certain of its features that I would sorely miss.  Personally, I could not go with permanently turning the MOD button on mechanically, as I would not want vibrato on for everything, so I have a couple of registration banks set up the way I described above.  Still - best of luck with your endeavors.

 

Regards,

 

Ted

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Just thinking out loud.

 

I use the mod wheel as part of my playng style with every other keyboard I play since it is much more realistic to control vibrato in real time. I am wondering if it is possible, given all the technological advances of the many workstations to "hack" a mod wheel that could be patched into these instruments. Would take a bit of engineering, but with (or without) schematics it might be do-able since a mod wheel is basically a potentiometer. Providing

 

1) I could find a tap-in point in a circuit in the Casios (my PX350 and PX575 both conspicuously have no mod wheel and no easy way to control vibrato) and

 

2) there is no attendant software routine that would have to be part of the existing operating system.

 

Since there are a variety of stand-alone mod wheels being sold for parts by the several manufacturers of keyboards (just search on eBoy to see this) cosmetics aside, even as a separate module i would use it.

 

I know I'm probably ***ssing in the ocean but I seriously miss a mod wheel on these instruments also.

 

PS-I'm not totally sure, but I think the old CZ instruments had not only a mod wheel, but it was "latchable" with a button. Could be used as continuously variable, or locked into whatever position you set, or something like that.

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The part that I do not understand is that, for the improved "professional" image that Casio was supposedly trying to project with the new CTK/WK-6XXX/7XXX units, abandoning the MOD WHEEL of the older WK-3XXX models for the MOD BUTTON of the new units is actually a step away from a professional level keyboard.  Roland still takes a lot of heat from some sectors of the market for its combo Pitch-Bend/Modulation joystick.  Since the "professional" level XW units DO have both a pitchbend and MOD wheel, it is apparent that Casio still looks at the CTK/WK models primarily as home-hobbyist units.  I think that is a very big mistake on their part.  While having a real MOD wheel would probably not scare off a hobbyist, not having one could certainly be a deal-breaker for someone looking to break into the field with an affordlable professional level arranger workstation.  Thankfully, I kept my WK-3800 when I got the WK-7500.  I still find uses for it, as there are certain of its features that I would sorely miss.  Personally, I could not go with permanently turning the MOD button on mechanically, as I would not want vibrato on for everything, so I have a couple of registration banks set up the way I described above.  Still - best of luck with your endeavors.

 

Regards,

 

Ted

I kept my old WK-1250 only because it has MIDI in MIDI out.

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Whew! Take a look at this page................

 

http://www.doepfer.de/pe.htm

 

The limitations are obvious.......not cheap and you need DIN midi in and out ports, not usb. So technically adding an outboard mod wheel can be done-and these interfaces, complex as they are, allow an incredible range of additional controls-pedals, joysticks and any other variable midi control device. May be a little too sophisticated for what we are looking for, but on the web there seems to be quite a few musicians with piano/keyboard controllers that lack the mod wheel, or pedal control inputs. German engineering, yikes! CC1 for software control is vibrato. Too bad there isn't a simpler solution.

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I never did play a keyboard that had a modulation whell but I would guess all it does is... it induce a vibrato and you can control the speed of it ??? Thinking of it now...when the warranty will be expired on my WK-7600, I will just open it up and replace the push button switch and install and on-off switch of the same size that will fit in the same opening. It will be totally clean and practical.

   As for an after-market moduation wheel installed outside the WK-7600 keyboard...it's just the same problem as the outside MIDI-in MIDI-out unit you can buy. It's expensive ( $100.) One would guess it would have cost a lot less than this for Casio to include it in the keyboard itself.

   Last, in the manual, they say you can get rid of the vibrato (on the modulation button) and replace it by a DSP. O.K. but...since the vibrato itself isn't a DSP. how after replacing it could you put it back there??? Maybe, it automatically returns there as the default once you shut down and you power the keyboard again?

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