stuarth25 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Hi Guys, I posted on 04 November (acoustic piano sounds). I sent my PX for repair and after 7 weeks I got a brand new replacement. I am now faced with my original problem, which was acoustic pianos sounding too "belly" in the mid range (really noticeable within half dozen notes or so around middle C area up to E). I thought it could be the old equipment I was using at home, so I bought AKG K240 mk2 phones and JBL LSR monitors, but the mid range "glass bell" sound is still there and now even more prominent. A couple of guitar friends listened through the PA system down at the club. One said it was only very minor and another said it was very "belly". A topic on this forum from Glenn(RocknRolldentist) mentioned it as a "bellish" sound and I also read a review where someone called it a "plastic" sound. It seems some hear it more than others. Does anyone know of a way to sort this problem, as I love the PX for its stage settings and other instruments and don't want to have to part with it, but the sound is driving me mad. Please help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Saucier Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 I think you are noticing the hallmark sound of the concert grand piano they sampled. Try this. Press system settings>general>touch response>set it to heavy. Go to 0-0 Concert grand. Turn knob 1 down all the way. Or....instead of turning knob 1 down, press the piano tone button and choose the rock piano. Another good one to try is Dulce Piano. If all of that is not to your liking, go to the downloads section and try different pianos. I have some in my sig below as well, like band grand. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuarth25 Posted January 9, 2016 Author Share Posted January 9, 2016 hi BradMZ, thanks for quick response. It makes the "glass bell" sound on every piano through the 00 range , including GM pianos, although less noticeable on GM Honky Tonk. I have just tried something. If I record to USB and play back through the PX-5S I get the glass bell sound, but if I play the USB recording through my pc or other devices it sounds beautiful. So do you think nothing can be done? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Saucier Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 All of the piano tones are based on the same sampled piano. They will sound similar. I'm thinking your master effects are altered. Press and hold the master effect button until the light is flashing. This will disable that. Now play it and listen. If it still sounds "bell like" could you make a recording from the line out so we can hear what you hear? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuarth25 Posted January 9, 2016 Author Share Posted January 9, 2016 Did as you said and it sounds the same. I don't have any recording device, so will have to borrow something. May take a few days, I can't get about as much these days (lung cancer, had lung removed). When I get recording device, you will need to talk me through the process of uploading the sound to the forum. Not very technical (age thing you know) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuarth25 Posted January 10, 2016 Author Share Posted January 10, 2016 I'm arranging to go to a Casio retail store (nearest is about 50 miles away) and take my AKG phones and listen to another PX5-S and see if it sounds the same as mine. I will then know if it is the Casio or my ears, where the problem lies. I want to use my time enjoying my music, not sorting out problems. If anyone else can hear the "glass bell like" sound around middle C, to be more specific B to E, on all the acoustic pianos please let me know. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Saucier Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 What confuses me is that you say it sounds great when the audio recording from the thumb drive is played on your computer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuarth25 Posted January 10, 2016 Author Share Posted January 10, 2016 Hi BradMZYes that's right it does sound great recorded and played through pc. It's also strange why the "glass bell" syndrome only sounds when played out of the PX5-S on the six notes, B to E. From F upwards it sounds great again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuarth25 Posted January 10, 2016 Author Share Posted January 10, 2016 Hi BradMZSorry about that, yes I can hear the problem through my pc, by using my AKG phones instead of cheap pc speakers, but it is not as pronounced as through PX5-SStuart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Saucier Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 Stuart, I'm going to go back to my original thought. You just dont like the real piano Casio sampled. Try stage setting 7-0 Dolce Grand. It's a little more mellow and woody. Also, as you have noticed, headphones and speakers can make a big difference in how it sounds. EQ is very important with piano. The 4 knobs adjust EQ in piano stage settings. I would tweak those until you get a sound you like. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuarth25 Posted January 10, 2016 Author Share Posted January 10, 2016 OK Brad, thanks for you timeStuart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuarth25 Posted January 10, 2016 Author Share Posted January 10, 2016 Just before I go Brad, are you saying that all 0-0 pianos, including the GM pianos are based on samples from the Steinway Model D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Saucier Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 All of the piano samples on the PX-5s are from the same piano, yes. However, the sound engine on the PX-5s can alter those samples into many other sounds. Some very different from the original. Here is one you should download and install that is very different from any factory piano. http://www.casiomusicforums.com/index.php?/files/file/567-old-upright/ Also, I'm not sure what you mean by 0-0 pianos. Did you install the alternate order stage settings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuarth25 Posted January 10, 2016 Author Share Posted January 10, 2016 Sorry I meant when you select 0-0 Concert Grand, you see 00 GrPnoConcert at the bottom then hitting the + button to P01 Rock, P02 Studio, P03 Modern etcThanks Brad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Muscara Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 Ohhh - you're playing all those tones through the same stage setting (0-0). You should select different stage settings via the buttons on the right. Those should sound different to you. I'm not sure how different it sounds by the way you're changing things, probably not much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuarth25 Posted January 12, 2016 Author Share Posted January 12, 2016 Hi JoeI am using stage setting set-ups through the range, just using the 0-0 as an example to show that I mean all acoustic piano sounds.Cheers, Stuart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuarth25 Posted January 12, 2016 Author Share Posted January 12, 2016 Can someone explain why on acoustic pianos, the piano tone changes (from bell like to smooth) from E to F (above middle C) and on Hex layer p20 (Hex Mf Piano) tone changes (from bright to smooth) from Eb to E Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Weiser Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Can someone explain why on acoustic pianos, the piano tone changes (from bell like to smooth) from E to F (above middle C) and on Hex layer p20 (Hex Mf Piano) tone changes (from bright to smooth) from Eb to EIn my experience working for manufacturers this kind of thing is usually a characteristic of the actual piano that was sampled. Also, the sample editing and processing required to get raw samples ready for prime time can have an effect on the sound that might yield results similar to what you describe. Sometimes harsh characteristics (harmonics, partials, etc) on certain notes/ranges need to be dampened and rolled off, etc. These steps *need* to be done or the samples would sound INSANE upon playback. The risk of fixing harsh partials is creating too much of a timbral difference between adjacent notes/ranges. Those of us who make a living in sound design drive ourselves mad trying to strike an optimal balance between smoothing out the sound while not going too far and creating unnatural transitions. Based on my experience and that of most PX customers I've observed I'd say that Casio did an admirable job tackling this tricky issue. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raymb1 Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 My 5s doesn't have that "bell sound" at all. All the piano presets sound very even. Ray Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuarth25 Posted January 15, 2016 Author Share Posted January 15, 2016 Thanks for all you help guys, especially Brad for his patience with me (I must drive him mad) and Dave Weiser for a good logical explanation. I'm beginning to think that I must have have sensitive ears as my sister thinks the PX-5S sounds beautiful and can't hear bell like tones. So for now I, when I play at home, it will be with my old "cheapo" phones (which lower the bell sound for me) and when I get the chance, I will still try another 5S just to satisfy myself. Thanks again, Stuart 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Saucier Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 No worries Stuart. Everyone has their own sound they like and are happy with. There is nothing wrong with that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maurix Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 did you try to set the String Reso and Damper Reso to 0 and listen to it maybe be resonance makes a part of it ,,,i hate the Stringreso set to 15 it is to present ,....in the pianos so i always use settings around 5 -7. Also try to set the filter to a differente setting and tweak with resonance, sometimes programming an underlaying sound in the Hexsection can alter the Pianosound thats wat i use to give more fullness or Punch to a Pianopatch --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuarth25 Posted February 25, 2016 Author Share Posted February 25, 2016 Thanks Maurix, I will try your suggestions. The acoustic piano I downloaded from here which has the least "bell like" sound, is the Nord2Grand. I don't know how he did it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuarth25 Posted February 25, 2016 Author Share Posted February 25, 2016 I notice the Hex Layer piano has No "bell like" sound at all. Is it possible to make a credible acoustic piano using that as a base? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Saucier Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 You want different? Load up this one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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