Looking for some Yamaha DGX 670 b into CASIO ?

[FlashyEagle8]

Im looking for some Casio update from CTX 5000 that i own, and felt along that tempting Yamaha DGX 670 B and was wandering if CASIO has something similar on first end. And on the second end, wanted a  DGX-like in Casio to be cheaper or halfway ''pricy'' between ctx500 and DGX. 

So in other words, an update of my Ctx5000 focusing into DGX, with a pricing rangs between 500€ < 900€

Does Casio offers something like this ?

 

Just let me know if those 2 options exists ?

Thanks in advance ! 

Edited July 16 by FlashyEagle8

[Brad Saucier]

Casio has the CDP-S360, which is basically a CT-X800 with an 88 key weighted hammer action.  It's a very popular Casio model since it has the same excellent sound quality as CTX models, plus the 88 key hammer action.  The next step up would be a PX-S3100.  

[FlashyEagle8]

31 minutes ago, Brad Saucier said:

Casio has the CDP-S360, which is basically a CT-X800 with an 88 key weighted hammer action.  It's a very popular Casio model since it has the same excellent sound quality as CTX models, plus the 88 key hammer action.  The next step up would be a PX-S3100.  

Ho i see...just thought that the CDP was just very basic beginner fancy keyboard but not at all since i checkee some reviews and got really surprised for it, but it seems that with voices, it just offers many piano ranges to organ and String, but no guitar or many voices as ctx5000 provides in Voices, tho

 

On the other hand, u just reminded me of the Privia which i h2ve totally forgotten, coz just playing for fun with different instruments according to ly mood.

But just checked'the PX S1000, and in term of price it was quite ''cheap'' and offered poly much'same stuff as in my Ctx5000 i believe...

Now u mentionned the S3100, i just got amazed and i think this one is quite a Mix of a Digital piano and an Arranger with Heavy Hammer weightes keys i think. 

However, i imagine that it had ''everything'' many voices and i think this Privia S3100 is like my CTX5000 turned into a 88 keys Digital Piano

Am i right ?

 

One more point, im enjoying my CTX, but the Keys doesnt feel really Hezvy eventhought u settled it'up,as'Heavy, it'doesnt really feel like it, and the other aspect is that, after couple months or year, the keys,started to get wacky clicking and noisy, which i've lentionned'long ago (due to underkeyboard rubber-band that need'to'be chznged and the octzves' pads to be equally reset, relocated).

Anyway, it never got fixed, so its still a bit a pain...

So was wandering if something nex would do it

Anyway thanks so much for ur advice ! Cherrs

[Brad Saucier]

CDP-S360 has 700 tones from the CT-X series.  PX-S3100 also has these tones plus better piano tones.  PX-S1100 has 18 tones.  PX-S3100 does not have all of the rhythm and recording features from the CT-X5000, but it does have some of it.  

[FlashyEagle8]

On 7/17/2024 at 1:17 AM, Brad Saucier said:

CDP-S360 has 700 tones from the CT-X series.  PX-S3100 also has these tones plus better piano tones.  PX-S1100 has 18 tones.  PX-S3100 does not have all of the rhythm and recording features from the CT-X5000, but it does have some of it.  

Well. Im looking for a cheaper keyboard like PX S3100 with range budget 500€-900€. Althought i've seen somewhere something good for 700-850€ and cant remember which podel it was.

Do u have an idea ?

 

Ok, the S3100 doesnt have all the Features from Ctx for Rythm and Recording, but i guess, it still hqs the basics. Am i right ?

[Brad Saucier]

With the CT-X3000 and 5000, rhythms have 4 variation patterns.  PX-S3100 has 2 (normal and variation).  CT-X has a pattern sequencer for creating rhythms from scratch.  PX-S3100 does not.  These are the biggest differences.  Otherwise they are similar.  

[FlashyEagle8]

5 minutes ago, Brad Saucier said:

With the CT-X3000 and 5000, rhythms have 4 variation patterns.  PX-S3100 has 2, normal and variation.  CT-X has a pattern sequencer for creating rhythms from scratch.  PX-S3100 does not.  These are the biggest differences.  Otherwise they are similar.  

Ok. CTX has the whole package and it looks like that it is in the High-range keyboard model which benefit a complete all-in -one Functions Set. Am i right ?

[Brad Saucier]

Yes, CTX is more arranger keyboard oriented.  

[FlashyEagle8]

2 hours ago, Brad Saucier said:

Yes, CTX is more arranger keyboard oriented.  

Yes, polyvalent !

But does it exist something like that with hezvier keys ? Not necessarily like real GrandPiano. But a bit'more solid keys, like u feel the hammer and not just a toy-keyboard

[Brad Saucier]

CDP and PXS is the closest Casio has to offer.  

[FlashyEagle8]

8 hours ago, Brad Saucier said:

CDP and PXS is the closest Casio has to offer.  

😬 you already mentionned me it on the very beginning, but thought there would still be other alternatives. Ok, now its all clear, as i have a better view on Casio's keyboards models and their types and ranges.

Thanks for everything Brad, coz ur help'gave me a bunch of things to learn.

Furthermore, now i see that my CTX was the best choice for a Full-around Package offered for a ''Cheap'' pricing and i'll stay with it. Thanks

[budisantoz]

I think you will like Korg XE-20 (SP). cheaper than Privia PX-S3100.

XE-20 has lots pro-styles/rhythm better than Yamaha. It has better audio quality than Yamaha DGX. 😁

[FlashyEagle8]

On 7/31/2024 at 10:58 AM, budisantoz said:

I think you will like Korg XE-20 (SP). cheaper than Privia PX-S3100.

XE-20 has lots pro-styles/rhythm better than Yamaha. It has better audio quality than Yamaha DGX. 😁

Ho nice ! I'll have a look at it these days ! For Yamaha, i always found out that there supersticious 'coz more a Toy that never offer a complete Pack, always one missing and i was never convinced with the sound's quaaloty. Thanks for confirming this.

Although. I hope that your'mentionned Korg has somehow ''heavy hammer Keys'' like'GrandPiano...i'll check this out tho

[FlashyEagle8]

On 7/31/2024 at 10:58 AM, budisantoz said:

I think you will like Korg XE-20 (SP). cheaper than Privia PX-S3100.

XE-20 has lots pro-styles/rhythm better than Yamaha. It has better audio quality than Yamaha DGX. 😁

Hey. I just reviewed the Korg and just noticed 3 weaknesses. The ''orange'' screen'display doesnt seem to'have'the option to change'the Color or Contrast.

Do u know'if its'possible like to'have a White background instead of Orange ?

Secondly, for fecording, u must put a Rythm style or Realtime for recording something

Thirdly, no pitch bend or modulation...

 

Then for keys, they are ''heavy'' but u have'option to choose the level of'softness.

Now, for Key after touch, im not really sure if it has thar...u know, when u want to Steomp a guitar, trumpet, fluta on its ending sound effect.

D9es'Korg offers that sound After Touch ?

 

Then, above all this keyboard looks really professional with ''real'' sound and according to my "'Piano level'' is quite beginner-intermediate, if looks very,tempting, but for real i dont think that'this kind of Digital GrandPiano would'fit me in term of my needs, and'to have 88keys...would b really useless.

Once again, im not Pro and,fhis'fits only for Pro...anyway, i also got an UpRight piano to my parent's house that i like, but the upgrade with this Korg would ben''same'', and i prefer my Casio CTX coz it has nice'touch, nice'sounds and'easy to use...and pleasure'to use'for'fun.

So i'think i'll,stay with my Casio. But thanks so much for having mentionned me the Korg.

Maybe for future purposes or needs, that Korg would be my next Project to take into'consideration !

Cheers !

 

[FlashyEagle8]

On 7/31/2024 at 10:58 AM, budisantoz said:

I think you will like Korg XE-20 (SP). cheaper than Privia PX-S3100.

XE-20 has lots pro-styles/rhythm better than Yamaha. It has better audio quality than Yamaha DGX. 😁

Yes. Ive just rewatched some Reviews on it about ''Complajns'' on many featurss (like  the rythm volumme's u cant change and the Keys feels like Hard Heavy key being ''broken'' with clipping. Etc. Plus that Audio pbm

So No DGX !

[FlashyEagle8]

@Brad Saucieryou mentionned me earlier about the CDP S360 being poly close to the CT-X700 (and PXS)

Now, are there big differences between the X700 and X5000 ?

Edited Thursday at 07:01 PM by FlashyEagle8

[Brad Saucier]

Compared to the CT-X700, the CT-X5000 adds....

 

16+1 track MIDI recorder with editing, a rhythm pattern sequencer with editing for creating user rhythms, tone and DSP editing, phrase pads with phrase sequencer and editing, more preset tones and rhythms, line out jacks, a modulation button, USB flash drive support with audio playback, expression pedal support, higher polyphony, and more powerful speakers.

[Jokeyman123]

You might want to consider....the PX560. But I admit I'm a little behind some of the newer pianos. Has alot of functionality that the CTX series have. Great tri-sensor piano action which is holding up well on mine, plus a few hundred (I forget exactly how many) sounds onboard plus hex layers, like the MZ-X500. Also a 17-track sequencer/recorder with editing, a stereo audio recorder and has some very easy to work with arranger functions. And the color touch-screen, still a great way to get around all its functions real easily. Even if the CTX-5000 or 3000 had 88 weighted keys, I think I still would stick with the 560.  And-it is a programmable synthesizer if you like to create your own sounds. Audio quality is excellent and the built-in sound system is pretty powerful. You could say, I'm a fan.

[FlashyEagle8]

10 hours ago, Brad Saucier said:

Compared to the CT-X700, the CT-X5000 adds....

 

16+1 track MIDI recorder with editing, a rhythm pattern sequencer with editing for creating user rhythms, tone and DSP editing, phrase pads with phrase sequencer and editing, more preset tones and rhythms, line out jacks, a modulation button, USB flash drive support with audio playback, expression pedal support, higher polyphony, and more powerful speakers.

Ho i ses that mine has the full package, but meant to ask about the X700 whom i have no idea of what it has, just wondering it has just the ''Basics'' and on the meantime, i'll look around for its specifications...

Anyway thanks for the input ! 

[FlashyEagle8]

10 hours ago, Jokeyman123 said:

You might want to consider....the PX560. But I admit I'm a little behind some of the newer pianos. Has alot of functionality that the CTX series have. Great tri-sensor piano action which is holding up well on mine, plus a few hundred (I forget exactly how many) sounds onboard plus hex layers, like the MZ-X500. Also a 17-track sequencer/recorder with editing, a stereo audio recorder and has some very easy to work with arranger functions. And the color touch-screen, still a great way to get around all its functions real easily. Even if the CTX-5000 or 3000 had 88 weighted keys, I think I still would stick with the 560.  And-it is a programmable synthesizer if you like to create your own sounds. Audio quality is excellent and the built-in sound system is pretty powerful. You could say, I'm a fan.

Well, the PX-560 is just amazing on its overall range and i understand why you're fond of it and wouldnt ewitch for a CTX5000 if it had 88keys !

Now, there are many factors where i've been surprised is a cheap piano feom 900€-1,500€ compared to NordPiano5. GENOS etc that starts from 3000€ and above.

Also, i'm feeling that this PX560 is somehow like my CTX5000 turned into 88keys and even greater !

 

The other feature. Is the display by touch-screen, which is really cool !

Does it has some settings where u can change Color's display ?

 

As for recording. As ive'understood it doesnt require an implement of an Audio Interface because it has only onboard as i saw th1t all the szving is done by USB Flash 32Go. Am i right ?

 

For those 88 keys, are they poly close like accoustic GPiano ?

Because saw/heard that they are strong Hammer with Ebony/Ivory material, but there's a slight ''softness'' when starting hitting the Key, to give comfortibility for hands and fingers, to prevent from slipping, so some ''grip'' or avoord wrist injury issues. So roughly heabut'vy hammered keys but slighter. ''loose'' compared the Wood of GP keys that are ''harsh''.

Is that truely the case ?

How is the key touch's  feeling ?

 

Anyway, above all, if for my future serious purchases. Id pick that one 'coz thats the real DGX i thought it was the ''best''

But unfortunately, with my actual modest budget, in real. Id rather go for a CDP if i really wanted those 88keys, and connect my tablet through the CMS App and get a wider  ''Touch Screen''

 

Anyway for ur great suggestion Im preciously bookmarking it just in case !

Thanks so much JokeyMan123 !

Edited Friday at 12:29 PM by FlashyEagle8

[FlashyEagle8]

@Jokeyman123one question about the PX560 u zdvised me a great considerable choice, as i've looked around for it, i unexpectedly seen some upper models such as 770, 870 but aren't on the same Line as it's been discussed by Chandler in some Topics i dont remember ''where exactly'', But wanted to know'if those 2 models were actually ''real'' GrandPiano for Beginner and potential Pro with basic piano sounds and the audio system projections no much variety of Tones and obviously not an Arranger like the PX560 which is already on Top Range.

 

Doess my perception about those 2 models being a Piano seems to be True, in your opinion ?

[Jokeyman123]

I don't have and haven't played the 770/870 models but based upon reviews, the piano action and piano tones on those would have to be at least as accurate and realistic as the 560, with the advantage of a better sound system and of course the full cabinet and pedals.

 

I am a trained player, prefer as close to a real acoustic feeling digital keyboard as I can afford, and have other 88-key hammer action instruments I play fairly regularly. The action on the 560 compares favorably to any digital piano I've played, a little firmer than my Fatar's/Korgs which are TP-40 Fatar actions.

 

There are specific digital pianos including the Casio GP Celvianos-that have an "escapement" action-which imitates the key action from being released after the initial downstroke as on a grand-which is easier on the hands IMO and requires a slight adjustment to technique. If you are just starting piano technique, you may not need that degree of refinement. I can execute Bach, Chopin, Debussy and other classical pieces pretty readily on the 560. If you are a heavy-handed player, you might prefer an escapement mechanism-again just my 2 cents. It will cost alot more, I've looked.

 

The touchscreen is a true touchscreen, very responsive, very bright-every function you would need to access is in that screen-with the exception of the 3 control knobs and wheels, which are programmable-the knobs are preset to adjust 3 bands of equalization, mid, high and low continuous-but can be re-programmed to a variety of functions-can adjust balance, filter, resonance to name a few. Beats the visibility of my Korg M3 screen by a mile, which is also a color touchscreen, nowhere near as good as the Casio.

 

And unlike the 770/870-there are a huge variety of tones,and repeating, it is a true synthesizer. The DGX's I don't believe have that capability. The 17-track sequencer can also load and play midi files as well as saving its own format of "midi" file. We even have details here in this group as to how to create your own "rhythm" or backing patterns and load these into the 560-I've posted several of my own in the uploads section for the 560. Sorry I'm going on here, I'm not a salesperson but I must be sounding like one!!

 

Another nice feature-once you have recorded a "song"/midi arrangement-or are playing one using the PX560 accompaniment features-you can directly record all that into its audio recorder and save it as an "audio" .wav file. Then-you can play live again, record more tracks into the "song"/midi recorder while you are playing back the audio recorder recording you just created, this is a very powerful feature-or you can record from any external audio source with audio outputs-into the audio recorder input, then use that as a backing track to anything you are playing. Even my Korg M3 and Alesis Fusions cannot do that unless I use a rather complicated way of connecting cables to loop the outputs into the sampling inputs. The only other Casio I can think of that is as powerful is the MZ-X500 which I can't find anywhere, and that has a 61-key non-weighted action.

 

As far as piano action on the Yamaha DGX's-I have played these.  Piano action felt a little slow and "mushy" for lack of a better description at least to me. Everyone's opinion on piano action preferences is different, even the best grand pianos do not always feel the same from brand to brand even within the same brands.

 

The PX560 is still available new or used so is still supported. I've sent mine to Casio only once in many years for repair which they did. Was due to my own carelessness-they even repaired something else I hadn't noticed-turned it around in about 2 weeks. This is excellent for a keyboard service department. I've done much worse, or got no service at all, I won't mention which other company(s). 

 

An alternative IMO would be the PX-5S which has an excellent reputation, huge back-end support here. I see some of these coming on the used market now for much less than the list price-some as low as 600-700 US dollars. Has the same  action as the 560. If I needed another keyboard-which I don't! I would  pick either of these over the Yamaha DGX piano action boards. Again just my opinion. I have owned a few PSR Yamahas, and these sounded very good too. But I've kept the Casios......

 

Oh yeah, one more thing. I can carry 2 Casios-the PX560 under one arm, the XW-P1 under the other, and still have enough energy to play an entire gig. I think the 2 together still weigh about 20 pounds less than any other 88 key monster I've owned. Something to consider if you travel around a bit. Even in your house!!!

[Jokeyman123]

Here is a good detailed description of the 770 Casio. I am sure the PX-5S and PX-560 have an identical action and tri-sensor piano tones. Looking at the diagrams verifies this, plus I've had my 560 disassembled and can verify this is the same as the diagrams I see in this review.

 

https://www.pianodreamers.com/casio-px770-review/