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Hi, It is possible to do a 8 Tack multitrack recording, AND hearing the previous recording, by following these steps: - Record a Phrase, or use a converted 16 Bar Drum Track.--> put it in a Phrase e.g. 200 - Create a new song. and press the insert key (located near on Stage Setting1 button) and select phrase 200 with no repeatings and no transpose (this advice just as example) - Store and name the song as "Songtest1" on position 150 - Now if you press song the display "Songtest1" and if you press "play" it will play the recorded track. But here you will notice that it might use a different sound. Note that the SongRecorder is independent from the StageSettings and the the Sounds which are configured with the StageSetting. So you have to create once an 8 Track song as an template to have 8 Sounds for the recording. This is your "StageSetting" for the TrackRecorder. If you use it, then you will get a copy of the template as a new song To create the Template, press "Edit" (when "Song" lights) and you will go into the "Song Edit" mode. Then press key down to go into Song Mixer and turn knob 2 in the fields MSB and ProgramChange to select the sound you have recorded. Have a look into the last pages of the "tutorial". Here you find the corresponding MSB and ProgamChange Numbers for the sound. At least you find the name of the sound in the 3rd line to control if you have adjusted the correct Numbers. Tip: If you want to use Track 1 for Drums, you have to select 120 as MSB and 000 or higher for the Drumset. How to just that I have figured out here. Then press the "+" Key, which you find near the Tempo key, to switch the Track. Now you will notice that MSB and ProgammChange can be adjusted to a different sound. Unfortunately I could not find out why I can not use the Hex Layers for that. Combination MSB 97 does not work. A bug? Now we start a multitrack recording. First we select Song (alread having one Track) Then press Phrase twice (-> flashing "Record") Then press Start: You will hear Track 1 playing and you can record your track. If you press record again it will stop recording. If you are not satisfied, press phrase again to get record flashing and start a next trial. If you are satisfied, press write and select the number for the new phrase (201). Before pressing Enter to save you can rename the Phrase. Now if you press "Start" you will hear the just recorded phrase, because "Phrase" is glowing Next step will be to put this phrase into the next track. Turn off "Phrase", Press "Song" and "Edit" Press Enter for "Track Edit" Press the + Key (near the Tempo Key) to goto Zone 2 Press "insert" and turn knob 2 and +- Keys to select phrase 201 If you don't hear the correct sound, you must press "Exit" and Select "Song Mixer" and select a different sound. If you had pressed "Start" you can hear your recorded tracks and can adjust others parameters like volume and pan hall etc. Now press Exit , exit until you are back on top of the menu to save the song with the write button. You will get a new version of your song, with one more track it you don't change the number of the song back. If we can not assign a Hexlayer Sound to a Track or need a 9th track, you will be able record a phrase as a last step and play the Phrase with glowing button for this last track Now you are able to record the full song with the audiorecorder. The tempo is stored in the Song and must be adjusted there. Best greetings from Ralf

What do you need? A sequencer, a data editior, a program which sends program changes? Have a look at the app "Set list maker" (in the iTunes Store) if it is, what you want. Which MIDI Interface do you use? Ralf

I would say the phrase option within a StageSetup was made for playing with the main sound which is configured for Zone 1. Last week I had configured an arpeggio for Zone 1 with keyrange from C- to A0. This arpeggio is configured as NOTE[FIX] and will play 032 Drum Loop 2 with the Hold function continuously. Zone 2 will start ab Bb0. So there is no conflict between the zones. This is the 3rd Method to get playing drums on the PX-5S. @Sunny did you solve your connection problem now? I found out, that when I connect within my Sequencer program to the CASIO USB MIDI IN and OUT the DATA Edior which runs at the same time also will prompt "no connetion". So check if you have a second application running which takes the USB MIDI exclusive. Did you try my Drum-Demosong ? Is it running at your keyboard? I guess you have to store phrase to Number 104, because in the song I assigned the phrase which was on position 104 at that time. I don't think it will look by name, if you store the phrase on a different position. Otherwise you must change the phrasenumber in the song to that divergent position. Note: If you play the Drum Demosong the Phrasebutton must be "off" (no light). @Mike: Most StageSettings are programmed with "normal" sounds on Zone1. So almost each StageSetup has to be changed if you want to use a playing drum loop AND you want to use the Phrase function within the StageSetup like you have proposed. Is it possible to move the Configuration for Zone1 to a higher, If that higher Zone also is used we have to move all the parameters to the next one. In some cases Zone 1 - Zone 3 are used, so we have to move Zone 1 to Zone 4 and then configure Zone 1 for Drums and edit the keyrange you described above. Each StageSetup assigns a Phrase and the tempo. This could be much complex, and if you change the StageSetup during playing it will assign the pattern and tempo of the other StageSetup. So please talk to the Casiopeople it they could make a better solution. With the Songsequencer we have an alternative which allows to change the Stagesetup during playing the drums without stopping them. The StageSetup tempo of a stage setup should not change the tempo of a running sequencer. It can also be detected by the lighting Phrase button. It "Phrase" is not "on" it does not change the Phrase, but unfortunately it changes the tempo, which was assigned for the StageSetting's Phrase. This should be an request for a future firmware update. Thank you. Update: This behaviour can be prevented by the "Stage Setup Filter". If you go to"Sys Settings, General, Stage Set Filter" you will find the parameter "Tempo". Switch it to "On". This prevents the tempo been changed if you select a different stage setup.

Hello, yes I agree that should be easier. But unfortunately it depends on a free Zone1 which must be configured for drum sounds. Steps for the method "Using the phrase attribute of a StageSetting" You have to convert MIDI Drum files to Phrases. (same as in songmethod) you have to convert all your stage settings, beause only ZONE 1 supports drum sounds. I don't know how to move Zone1 to an upper one with all the parameters by one click (maybe it is possible Mike will know) If you have more than 2 Zones it might be impossible, because Zone 3 and 4 don't support HexLayer Sounds. So you will not be able to convert all the sounds. I don't feel this to be easy. You are able to select a phrase and a tempo for the stage setting, and this drumphrase repeats without end. You have to adjust the keyboard range for the drum sounds. You have to play on Zone2 or upper and if you want to change the sound you have to select the higher zone first. You have no chance to start with precount then use variation1, fillIn, bridge, Chrous, fillin, variation2 and so on. I guess at the moment the method with the song sequencer seems to solve that. You only have to configure once a DrumSong. (This might be complex, but I uploaded a demophrase and a song with this parameters here) If you have stored this song in position 100, you are able to change the phrase to get a different drumloop. Then if you press "Write", the PX stores it automatically on a new position. That's all you have to do. So I think it can be easy, too. The advantage is: - You can use almost all you StagePreset with a playing drum loop, - You can even use it with StageSettings with 4 Zones. There is one thing you have to consider: If you change the StageSetting during playing a song, the tempo will be taken from the tempo which is assigned to the StageSetting. But if you start the Song again you have the original tempo again. This behaviour can be prevented by the "Stage Setup Filter". If you go to"Sys Settings, General, Stage Set Filter" you will find the parameter "Tempo". Switch it to "On". This prevents the tempo been changed if you select a different stage setup. I expect that Casio will impove that, so that Tempo will not change if the Stagesettings changes and a song plays at the same time. If urgently demand renaming phrases and songs in the data editor. The naming on the keyboard is too circumstantial. How can I save converted ZPH files from the Editor directly to the PC? It can be done by "Package Edit". But then you will get a Package file and not the ZPH, or ZSQ file to upload it to the forum. I will now use the way with storing it on the USB stick. Best greetings Ralf

Yes I expect that the phrase sequencer or the songsequencer should play the notes independent from the StageSetting. When you use a phrase with a DrumPattern you always have to configure Zone1 for dums. This is a discription how to use playing dums independ from the 4 Stage Zones Playing Drums by using the SongRecorder You only need once to configure all these parameters. After that you can edit the song by changing the phrase (drum loop) and press write. Then you get a copy with all these parameters and have one more "drum song" - First convert a Drumtrack to Phrase like I described above. - Then press the Song button - Then you read "Track Edit" where you press Enter. - Then you press "insert" key (Find as second function for Nr 1 Button in the StageSetting" - Then select the converted drum phrase and select the amount of repeatings. If the phrase is a looped one, it will play only once, so select the number of repeatings. If you have drum fills and variations press insert and select them as the next item. - Press Back and once "Key down" to go into the "Song Mixer" for that you have to press Enter again. Here Select: - Bank Select MSB = 120 (This selects the drum sounds !) - Program Change = 000 (or different Drum Set you like) - Channel = 10 (Important if you like to trigger an external MIDI device) - Volume = 100 (or other value you like) - Pan = 0 - Coarse Tune = 0 - Fine Tune = 0 - Bend Range = 0 - Chorus Send = 0 - Delay Send = 0 - Reverb Send = value you like for Drums - Generator OUT = ON (to use internal drums) - USB OUT = off (or on if you want to use a drum sound from the computer) - MIDI OUT = off (or on if you want ot use an external MIDI device) Then press exit and key down to select the Tempo you want. Don't forget to save the song. Then you can choose a Stage Setting you like and play the song with the drum you have assigned. When you press Start the tempo will be changed to the tempo of the song. When you change the stage setting during the playing song, the tempo will change to the tempo which is assigned to the Stagesettings' phrase. So you should not change the Stage setting during playing a song. If it is necessary you have to adjust the tempo in the stage settings to the song. EDIT: This behaviour can be prevented by the "Stage Setup Filter". If you go there "Sys Settings, General, Stage Set Filter" you will find the parameter "Tempo". Switch it to "On". This prevents the tempo been changed if you select a different stage setup. So this keyoard can be configured as a good drum machine which continues playing even if you change the stage setups" We can receive the "Song" into the Editior application (Via Transfer and "SongSequncer") I hoped that I could rename the Song. It is possible to the PC file, but I could not find out how to rename it on the "PX-5S" windows. I would like to rename Phrases on the PC-Editor, too, Best greetings from Ralf

Hi SunnyDaye, thank you for the flowers I have sucessfully converted a drum track. These steps I followed to extract and convert a drum track from a MIDI file into a phrase First I select "Phrase Convert" Then I dragged a MIDI file with the mouse into the left window "PC MIDI Data Files" Then selected the MIDI channel where the drum sound usually can be found. This is Channel 10. So I select Channel 10 in the Channel selection pull down menu I selected the "Convert Range" From "Beginning of the Song" to "End of Song" You should use a drum track which contains exactly 1 or more bars, because the Range function does not cut on the end of a bar. If you just want one bar you have to select a rage for that bar, but this could be impossible. Then I dragged the file into the right window "PC Phrase Data Files" This converts the drum track into a ZPH file. Now I select "Transfer" and find the converted file in the left window. I scrolled down the right window to find a free place and dragged the file into the right window "Px-5S" Then I selected a StagePreset, which contains Drums for Zone 1. For first test use preset 0-9 and turn off the Arpeggio Button. Then I selected the phrase number to play which I converted. - for a drum loop you have to select "loop" = on The result was that It plays the drums. Now we need advice how to add drums in any stage setup. Unfortunately the midi channel of zone1 must be 10 to get the drum track playing, but usually we have StagePresets with a normal sound on Zone1 Best greetings Ralf Edit: See my post below how with a solution for this.

Yes I can reproduce the behaviour If I change the USB Out Select on the PX5S to "MIDI" and restart the editor, I will get the "disconnected" Message. If I change it back to "Key", then close the editor and then restart it, it is connected again. So the application will check if there is a PX5S connected to USB. This is a message from the operating system and assigns the specific USB port. If the USB installation had failed for any reason you will get the communication error. If the USB device is present. the application will send a message via that USB port to the device. The device will answer. This answer is directed to that "USB Out" which is assigned via the MIDI menu in the PX5S Sys-Settings. If the "USB Out" is assigned to "MIDI" the answer will go through the 5Pin MIDI Out and will not receive the PC editor. This will also cause a "disconnect" message. This is checked when the application starts. So like Mike described you should select "Key" for USB Out Select. If it still does not work scoll down in the Sys-Setting MIDI menu where you find "USB IN Enable". This must be assigned to "On" If it still does not work open in the DataEditor Application the menu "Preference". Here you can uncheck the Box MIDI Auto Search and look which devices are listed in the "MIDI IN" and "MIDI OUT" pulldown menu. If you don't find "CASIO USB MIDI" in that list the USB installation was not correct. Then try a different USB Port. If the CASIO USB MIDI is selected in both pull down menus recheck the "MIDI Auto Search" checkbox. If it still says "Communication Error" there could be an defect on the USB Cable, or the USB port on the Casio device. For me the data editor works fine and can be connected via USB. And I can use USB MIDI and 5pole MIDI at the same time If you are not able to connect the device via USB, you can connect the DataEdtior also via 5pole MIDI: I tried to connect the data edior via my firewire AudioInterface which adds MIDI to the computer. So I find an additional entry in my pull down list. I selected manually that device for MIDI IN and MIDI OUT in the editor MIDI menu In fact the editor sends a MIDI SysEx command via the 5pole MIDI cable F0 44 17 02 7F 00 00 03 00 00 ... 07 00 F7 and the PX5S answers with the message F0 44 17 02 7F 00 00 03 ... 07 00 50 58 2D 35 53 20 20 20 F7. The data editor says "Connecting..." and then "Connection OK" This configuration works if you select MIDI Out Select "Key" USB Out Select "MIDI" (This is the difference to the connection via USB!) MIDI in Enable "On" USB IN Enable "On" So you have 2 alternatives to get a connection. Ralf

Thank you for clearing that. Sunny reported not to have connection and this could be a problem of a USB driver. @Sunny: Please write how you were able to fix the connection error problem. Sometimes manufacturers give the advice first to install the driver from the "disc" or to download it before connecting the device it. Sorry if I gave this as a misinformation, but I think in our case it is harmless. The following lines are only for people who are interested in to understand in which cases a new driver will be installed. These things I recherched after I had massive problems with a specific version of a USB device with a divergent HardwareID which was not published yet. People in forums gave many advices which could not solve the problem. I tried to find out why and received the correct driver via email directly from the manufacturer. It is much complex and these description might be not complete, but it might help to understand. In our case it does not matter if there is a old casio USB driver on the computer. Windows assigns the drivers when you plug in a new device. The "plug and play" method specifies that a USB device has to commit a Hardware-ID when it is connected to a computer. Windows then compares this hardwareID with a list of hardwareIDs which come with the windows installation. These hardwareID are mapped to a specific "sys" and a "drv" files which are also delivered with windows. If necessary they will be extracted and stored in c:\Windows\System32\drivers\ If there is a new USB device which needs a new driver the manufacturer can send it to Microsoft, which will include it in the next driver package update. But this will take some time and in some cases Microsoft will not update it automatically but put the new driver in the "windows update" resource area. So many manufacturers deliver a USB driver to download for the user. The installation procedure just adds an entry in the driverID list and puts the new files into the windows directory. Sometimes it adds an entry into the compatibility list. The CasioInstaller contains a "inf" file where you can find a line: USB\VID_07cf&PID_6801.DeviceDesc%=PL-40R.Dev, USB\VID_07cf&PID_6802 Here the hardwareID "PIS_6802" is assigned as compatible to "PID_6801" which is known by windows. This effects if you connect a "6802 device" (PL40) to your computer windows will map it to the drives for 6801 and use their drivers (sys and drv files) Windows assigns the driver for each USB Port of the computer. This is the reason, why the "driver installation message" comes up again when you unplug the device and plug it into a different USB Port. This is also a workarround, if you have installed a wrong driver on a USB port. Then you have the chance to get the correct one, if you use a different port and select a correct one if windows asks to select a driver manually. But for the PX5S there is in fact a published driver induced in the windows driver package. The PX5S comes with a HardwareID windows normally already knows. If not windows will prompt that you should click on the "windows update" button. I found in my registry after connection with the PX5S the new Hardware-ID "PID_6803" and suggest this is the current one for the PX5S The USB driver which is linked on the casio downloadpage is different. It is for the PL40R with the ID: VID_07cf&PID_6802 So windows handles this information for a independent device. This means that normally there will be no conflict, if the user had installed the old driver (PID_6802) before connecting the PX5S Ralf

Hi Sonny, did you install the 64 bit USB driver BEFORE connecting the Piano to the Computer? I have installed the 32 Bit verison from the support page where you find both: link removed You should unplug the piano and then install this driver. If it does not show the "USB Hardware connection and install Message" unplug the USB and try a different USB Port. If it still will not connect check if you had used an external USB Hub with no seperate power. If yes then look if you find a free USB Port which is directly connected to the mainboard. I am also interested in drum phrases. If anyone has converted some standard drum patterns please upload it here Ralf