Silvano Silva

On 10/11/2020 at 2:03 AM, Popsel said:

 

Silvano,

could you please explain the described problem in more detail. I haven't heard anything about this yet.

 

Greetings

Popsel

Perhaps because the staff does not use samples in quantity like us Brazilians. We have a wide continental culture and require a lot of specific tones especially Drums. When you install many wave-based ZTN tones it is common for some tones to give Bugs. Last octave notes disappear. The solution is to reinstall the Tone that generated the Bug. And this bug usually happens inside the Casio MZ-X. The Keyboard without a plausible reason this error occurs

Casio could solve the BUG WAV SAMPLES and also increase the sample limit TABLE.
The Preload we managed to solve obeying the limit of 2.5 megabytes per Tone.

On 10/7/2020 at 12:12 PM, Popsel said:

Hello,
I've tried it.
In the Tone Edit mode the name of the Melody Tone is displayed, but no information about the (stereo) sample name.
So in Melody Tone mode the sample is played in stereo. This is what was to be expected.

Then I selected a new HexLayer Tone and tried out the user samples at layer 1. Even in the Hex Layer Edit Mode no sample names are displayed for User Samples. A list with "Split User Samples" appears. I have tried this list. There I could hear my original stereo sample in MONO on 3 entries.

This means that the hex layers are not suitable for stereo samples.
A workaround is to split the stereo sample into left and right channels by splitting it into two layers with the Casio Sample Manager at "Convert Setting" -> Import Channel. So one layer for the left channel and another layer for the right channel. Alternatively you can select "L "+"R"-> Mono. Then the result is a mono sample, which is created by mixing the stereo sample.

So much for HexLayer Samples.

My question, if Melody Tone Stereo Samples really need the double CPU/RAM/management memory (of course double Flash memory) I could not answer yet.
You would have to import as many stereo samples as possible into Melody Tone until the "Data Full" message is displayed.
Unfortunately I don't have time to test it now.
 

Hello friend I will not do the test with stereo samples because I have already solved one of the biggest mysteries regarding the limits of the MZX. I'm satisfied.
What you question may be coherent may be that mzx can also accommodate the same number of stereo samples for having an organization table.
The certainty is that stereo samples spend twice as much memory and place 1000 stereo samples only if it is in small files.
THE BIG ISSUE IS THAT THE MZX IS FAILING THE SAMPLED TONE TABLE ANYWAY AND DISAPPEARING WITH WAV SAMPLES.
 I can win by putting more than 100 megabytes in memory using little preload but with the wav samples disappearing bug it gets very complicated

On 10/3/2020 at 2:45 PM, Popsel said:

 

Hello,
Thanks for the explanation. From this I conclude that the available CPU RAM memory has no fixed allocation, but is dynamically allocated to the different data types. So for samples the limit is 1000 mono samples. For the other datatypes there are not that many user memory spaces available anyway. Fortunately I don't need a huge amount of samples at the same time for my use of the sampler. With a bit of advance planning I can use the sampler in a reasonable way and the goal is to keep the number of samples as small as possible. Luckily I don't need any elaborately sampled piano sounds with several layers for my plans. Thanks for your efforts. It is really helpful to know these relationships before creating your own samples.  I guess stereo samples do not need more CPU RAM than mono samples.

Greetings from Germany.

Stereo samples use twice as much memory as the system understands two independent samples. I work more with mono samples because it is inside the MZ-X when adding reverb effects that I recover an ambience.

On 9/30/2020 at 3:20 AM, Popsel said:

 

Hello,
thank you for your efforts. It helps me a lot, for organization and the use of own samples.
Could you please try if it is possible to load other sample based types like DRUM tones or HexLayer tones after the DATA FULL message for melody tones.  It could be that Casio has reserved a different memory area for this.

 

Greetings from Germany.

The mandatory memory limit is 1,000 WAV MONO SAMPLES. If you exceed the wave limit, nothing else will be possible to store on your MZ-X even if they are files that did not use wav samples.

Greetings from Brazil

Friends I took the test
The MZ-X supports 1,000 mono wave samples

Friends I took the test
The MZ-X supports 1,000 mono wave samples

3 hours ago, Popsel said:

 

Hi,

The problem is that Casio uses a proprietary sample format for the MZ-X models. I contacted Chicken Systems last year and asked if the company would be willing to support the MZ-X series. I provided all the information available. The programmer later informed me that it is a proprietary format that apparently is also encrypted. After a few weeks I asked again. But it doesn't look as if anything can be expected from this side. Casio was unwilling to cooperate, he said. So the only way would be to try to find out something via "reverese engineering". But that would be a very tedious and time-consuming way with an uncertain result. Since then I have also researched myself. If there is a solution, then it is in any case a very time-consuming one and not a project that you program on a weekend. Lets see how it goes on...

I use the extreme sample converter especially for Loop points which saves a lot of time. The SAMPLE MANAGER itself would suffice to have an SF2 converter to use other software for faster editing. Casio developers would not need to add additions to SAMPLE MANAGER by simply converting SF2 files

23 hours ago, Popsel said:

Hi Silvano,

it seems like we have to find out for ourselves, like so many things about the MZ-X. The MZ-X has potential, but unfortunately insufficient documentation. For this reason, I don't think the MZ-X has had as much success as Casio would have liked. I bought my MZ-X300 & 500 about 1.5 years ago at a bargain sale price. Unfortunately I noticed very quickly that in my opinion the instruction manual does not explain the possibilities of the instrument sufficiently. I had to find out many things by experimenting myself. In order not to forget the knowledge again, I went to the trouble and wrote several additional manuals. So I can read if I forget. I was looking for a sampler with keyboard that would allow samples to be played on the keyboard. The MZ-X offers these possibilities and many more. However, I don't find working with the Sample Manager innovative. This was probably written by programmers who do not work with the MZ-X and samples themselves. There is a lot to improve. I don't expect any more updates from Casio because it seems to be uneconomical. But I see this from a different perspective. As a user, I would like to have better software that makes work easier. I'm looking for a solution ...

Casio could easily resolve it by placing an SF2 soundfonts converter for ZTN in the Sample Manager.
So we could use tons of free softwares from the internet to create our samples and anyone who has no experience could download thousands of free Sf2 and install on MZX.
How did a STY Rhythm Converter could do with SF2

3 hours ago, Popsel said:

Hello,

this information has been known for years, but does not answer my question. I have experience with the Tyros4 and built-in 1GB memory expansion especially for samples. In my experience the limit of the maximum number of samples supported by the instrument firmware is reached faster than the 1GB sample flash memory. This has the effect that only about half of 1GB of memory can be used (depending on the length of the samples used). I think it could be similar with CASIO MZ-X. It is clear that an indication of the maximum number of samples that can be used by the system interacts with the storage requirements of the samples. Nevertheless, there is a maximum number of usable samples from the operating system (firmware V1.60). If there is no other way, you have to research it yourself. In preparation, you had to delete all existing user data in order to have the maximum available system storage space available. You could load a tone with 100 extremely short samples from the USB stick again and again until an error message / warning is displayed. The number of successful imports multiplied by 100 then gives an order of magnitude, the max. importable samples.

Very well friend.
You understand my logic because you must use Samples resources a lot.
The Casio MZX has excellent internal tone editing tools but we are going well beyond novice users.
The feeling of putting a ZTN tone sample and mixing it with an internal tone is unique and wonderful at Casio. I have a Gleen Miller orchestra with factory ZTn tones and Samples Tones mixed. Casio goes much further with surprising results.

16 hours ago, Brad Saucier said:

 

 

The maximum number of samples for each tone type is shown in the manual. The maximum importable file size of a sample is listed earlier in the manual, as well as the maximum recommended size of the tone file that is output.  You can load tones that meet these specifications until the system reaches the memory limit.  

 

Brad forgives me but you don't understand the logic here.
We all know the sample limits per ZTN.
But we don't know about the total samples that the system supports in version 1.6.
Read in the topic above that well before the total expenditure in megabytes occurs, the DATAFULL warning appears. This limit is broken with large numbers of samples regardless of memory in megabytes.

This is not a criticism but a request for information from Casio. Another request would be to inform which consumption in polyphony Tones ZTN with waves consume in the system. Roland EA-7 explains that wave tones spend twice as much polyphony.

23 hours ago, Brad Saucier said:

Casio does not publish max number of samples for expansion memory because it can vary depending on the samples used.  You can probably do a little math to figure out the absolute maximum if you keep the samples extremely small.  There is a limit to the number of user tones of each type that can be loaded into memory.  That number combined with the limit of wave files per tone type should give you an idea.  

disagree with you

it is very important for the User to know the limit of samples, as it ends up in the big mistake of thinking that the limit memory is the number of megabytes. When the concern is the quantity of samples. For those who program a lot of Samples this is very important for the dimensioning of their sample tones.

We know that the appropriate tones without using preload are maximum 2.5megabyte tones. We know that the total memory for samples rhythms registers pads is 256 megabytes for MZ-X500 and 128 Megabytes for MZ-X300

but we have no idea of the sample limits. I will have one a day to do a test and when I do I will inform  here.

8 hours ago, Popsel said:

 

Hi!

First of all, I would like to point out that we are dealing with two types of memory. There is the flash memory for recording the sample data (for the MZ-X500 256MB) and the sample memory (a kind of system table) for organization, which is the subject here. The number in the "table" is limited. From the memory allocation, depending on which memory type is first full (data sample flash memory 256MB) or the memory in the "system table", the result in reality is max. importable number of samples.

I tried to calculate the total theoretical number of importable samples.

However, the result is not plausible.

The result,  58240 is unrealistic compared to much more expensive keyboards, such as Tyros4 (max. 9999)

 

 

 

If someone knows better, has experience with it, please reply to this topic.

 

Regards

Popsel

Excellent explanation.
But in practice it doesn't work.
I have ZTN tone with 50 wave samples.
One day I intend to format Casio and install the same Tone of 50 samples countless times until I get the DATA FULL warning
Only so to know the limitation of the MZ-X.

Casio could put this information in the SAMPLE MANAGER manual

On 4/24/2020 at 4:20 AM, Guivannitonos said:

Pero seria mas facil que casio ideara un software ó app, para cambiar de formato de un teclado a otro y asi darnos mas facilidad de conseguir mejoras de sonidos con nuestros instrumentos, ó mas facil que el teclado pueda adaptarlo a su formato

Otras compañias como korg

puedess pasar sonidos de un kronos a modelos arranger como el pa 500, 600, 700

Yamaha mo6 podias bajarte varios sonidos de los motif.

Roland con las quejas que habia del roland gw8 hiso una actualización del equipo con sonidos mucho mejores.

 Y ahora casio mzx500 esta tomando el mercado como un buen teclado tiene que equiparlo mejor con sonidos mas serios.

 

 

Casio debería colocar un convertidor SF2 en el SAMPLER MANAGER. Internet tiene miles de muestras gratuitas en este formato, sin mencionar que tiene muchos editores SF2 superiores a Sample Manager

Made an excellent ART of what would be the MZ-X2000 😍

Casio should have Roland's equal recognition system.
Single Note recognition.
When you play only one note the system leaves everything in unison, facilitating temporary inversions

3 hours ago, Muso7 said:

 

Agree - think they may have closed their doors on this one - great shame if so - perhaps even Casio don't realise what they have created!!!

 

😀

1.61  is installed on the news MZX.
Will Casio be a chance for us? 

The Mzx is an excellent keyboard but it still needs corrections and improvements.
Still continues giving bizarre errors in the ZAL Archives when there are sampled Ztn and Zdr tones.
Sampled sounds become defects as you install new sounds.
I hope that Casio does not abandon us because the quality of the mzx in professional sound is very good.

On 1/18/2020 at 8:13 PM, squeak_D said:

It’s still usable as an arranger, but I’m probably going to shelve it.  I have other options for playing, and if the mixer is going to be a problem, I’d rather not mess with it.  No point in creating music with it if I can’t utilize the mixer.  I’m still wondering about the leaving it unplugged for long periods of time.  
 

I actually forgot to mention something else it did outside of the mixer.  After realizing the mixer wasn’t working properly, I exited out of seq mode and played with a few sounds.  Upon power down and power up, the song didn’t save.  So there’s the possibility that there is going to be an intermittent save issue as well.  I figured a full factory restore and reload of the OS would fix it, but it didn’t.

 

Sqk

I have friends who are reporting memory errors.
In some it does not save the registry memory  in others sampled sounds disappear.
With me it happened  drum kits disappear completely

On 1/6/2020 at 11:43 AM, petersohn said:

http://www.medeli.com.hk/x10

DISPLAY 7” touch screen

MAX POLYPHONY 256

VOICE 1100 + 256 GM2 + 512 users

STYLE 280 + 512 users 

Internal storage (256MB sample expansion) 

 

It looks great. I'm waiting for the price and demos of sounds. We'll see if Casio shows the successor to MZ-X. The new Ct-x series sounds great but the display and operation is one big tragedy. The touchscreen is the basis of our times - if Casio doesn't understand it, I'm switching to another brand of keys.

On 12/31/2019 at 7:53 PM, pianino said:

hello, my name is milton paredes, from quito ecuador.

i'm verry happy to guet my ct-x5000, i'm pianist and musician for 20 years, i have all kinds of keyboards and 5 casios, included the ct-x5000.

my question is.

is there a way to make a separate intro and ending for major and  Mynor chords in the rhythm creator of the cbt-x5000?.

if so, where can i activate this feature?.

 

Casio is capable of having two different arrangements on major and minor chords but this option is blocked for us users.

Pitch bend works.
What happens is that random in the recording mode of Rhythms the keyboard turns off.

6 hours ago, Brad Saucier said:

Hello Alexandre. 

 

1) Confirmed.  We'll look into this.    

2) Some rhythms are more sensitive to chord change timing.  It is also this way on other Casio keyboards.  

3) On the CT-X5000, if a tone with DSP is already selected, any subsequent layered or split tones will not have DSP.  This is normal.  The keyboard has a limit on the number of effects at once.

 

I not sure I understand the other questions.  

 

4) Record in Rhytm mode with Octave Crash on return normal mode

5) Record with pitch bend the Style mode crash keyboard and shutdown.

21 hours ago, Majek Skateboards said:

I see this one Casio is more than double the price of the latest, next highest priced one, the CTX-5000 for $449.

 

Being new to keyboards again after years away, the CTX and new AIX sound engine equals or surpasses the higher end Yamahas I heard years ago which were thousands.

The Casio MZ-X is Casio's top of the line arrangers.
CT-X Line is Enhanced CTK Line