fede4real

fede4real   patch edits for wk76  I mean, cheers

Not sure that Im sharing them for free,its been a hell of work and by the way we are all doing the job CASIO is suposed to do for free...I basically made this board sound like a high end board

Hi finally I got the courage to go through the manual and try to adjust the drum volume but I just cant seem to do it. Somebody said it had to be done in Mixer mode Im really bad when it comes to technology.

I was wondering if somebody is kind enough to write a step by step guide on how to lower volume of a drum rythm (no acompaniament just plain drums) and save it into the user rhythms. 

Or how to save a performance,lets say splitted rigth hand piano,left hand bass and a drum pattern with lowered volume.

As for the volume of  splitted sections,it would be perfect to have an easy touch control but given the circumstances...In my WK7600 when I split the keyboard the left side sounds too low I always use it for bass. So the only thing I can think about is edit all my right hand sounds with the tone editor and cut the volume lets say 30db. So now you have a more balanced mix,You can always push up the volume of the keyboard/ mixer/amp.

This solution involves some pre-thinking

thks for info above, im watching a roland rd700gx on ebay its a great machine and covers all the shortcomings of the px5s except for one thing, its weight of 25kgs,  don't think one person can move it, also its 1440mm long

We want great weighted key action realistic tones/rythms and ease of use but that comes at a price: money and weight. It would be perfect to use only one board for gigging and production,for only 500$ at 8kg.... Hey its free to dream!

Im actually hating the learning curve of WK7600 for silly things like this, drum volume should be accesible,it was in previous models............. and why is it so that when you split the left hand has sucha low volume? 

Man I want to love this keyboard so bad but its being a pain in the bass.CASIO at this time and era we want things easy and intuitive accesible drum volumen doesnt seem like too much to ask.

I wonder why they make a light weight keyboard that will atract the gigging consumer cause its weight and then dont make it gig oriented.

will this work for wk 7600?

Yeh,  some keys on my wk7600 have gone a little tinny sounding when struck, like a rattle. At first I thought it was my finger nails, but it is the lack of consistant padding under the key, also they feel a bit loose.

 

Fix,  I have pushed some double sided tape ( only use one side sticky, leave other side alone ) in between the key eg  C4 to D4 and it sounds more normal, just a thickish pad sound.

 

I shudder to think what is really under the keyboard but I bet it is no better than bog paper,  disappointing really

You are so right I have the board for about  amonth,I play mostly ballads so its not that I hit them that hard. i notice that in a few weeks the keys feel so much soft and noisy,reminding me of my WK 3300.  

I dont hate it cause Im more used to soft keys and my style of playing is adjusted to that but for anyone wanting weighted key feel it may be dissapointing.

Another bad thing is,yeah the black design looks cool at first but the bottons,in low light conditions.... there is no way for you to hit the right botton.They are small,small tiny letters and the same color as the board.A lighter shade like grey would not be a bad idea...

I gotta say that Im still amazed at how good it sounds WITH  tweaking at tone editor.

Its taking me weeks but Im finally asambling a good set of sounds. Id probably share all them here when Im done and see if it helps. For now Ive created

3 grand pianos,(cool for jazz classical or pop)

1rock piano,

1 bright piano

1 dance EP

3 fender rhodes(yeah I know Im a freak),

1stereo strings,

1chamber strings,

1synth strings(pad like),

2of  90s EP(whitney houston type).

1 early 80s dyno EP(phill collins type)

jazz bass

funky slap bass(70s 80s)

My main con is still the drums,they are sooo karaoke with few exceptions but I do believe my user tones compete with higher end boards,I was playing Janet jackson ballads witht the 90s EP and it sounded just like the record.When I layer the 90s EPs and the synth strings...heaven.

BUT I dont pay 600 bucks only to having to spend a month trying to make the board sound decent. CASIO why dont you hire me next time?.You seem to have the technology to make a great sounding board but not the ears.

If any semipro pro player try test this board in a store and listen to those preset sounds he would hit NEXT ina  second.Such a waist this board can really deliver great sounds.

Another thing is when a plug in the mic theres noise most of the times.Other times it sounds clean but most times there is an anoying "fffffffff" noise.

This doesnt come as a surprise as I  had already read over the net about the low performance of the"too good to be true" mic in feature...so I felt lucky it somehow works,I  kinda espected it and didnt get myself too excited about it  (nor Im disapointed now) But I have to say it.

Im not the kind of guy that messes around sending back a keyboard etc,cause I know probally they would send a new keyboard with the same problem.The noise is ok for rehearse if i dont want to plug in my laptop and all that,definately not for gigging.

So these are the kind of things that set casio far from the Yamahas

Ive never played a Fender Rhodes but Im a bit obssesed with it.I think the closest sound int he Wk7600 would be the Vintage EP. Then go to tone editor and try to make it sound to your taste as there are not 2 fender rhodes that sound the same.In that matter its like a grand piano,there are not 2 that osund the same. And people often use amps compressors.It has a vibrato feature and people use analog effects like wah wahs and then again there are several models.Suitcase stage...

If you are interested I can give you my settings for theuser tone Ive created and see if you like it. It doesnt sound quite like a rhodes cause that analog warmth and body is difficult to achieve in a middle line keyboard,but its fairly close

Hmmm...I almost bought the WK-7600 two weeks ago as I was looking for a 2nd-tier keyboard that will complement my PX-5S. It seems that through your assessment, the WK-7600 is a step-back rather than a step-forward towards the right direction in certain features/functions? 

 

It could be that WK-series keyboards may not be the current "best-seller" among Casio's EMI line up nowadays...or may be it's not the priority in the list of music electronic products to be improved significantly or whatever other reason they may have why these products were only given, at best, minor improvements. However, may be Casio should still consider providing their top-of-the-line WK-keyboard (i.e. WK-7600 and its future iterations) with features that will make more of the pro musicians out there take notice the way the PX-5S surprised them (despite the PX-5S being criticized for its lack of an expression pedal input, that is) and if only to further strengthen the drive to remove the "toy-keyboard-impression" from its EMI line.

 

Other competitor keyboard manufacturers (Roland, Korg and Yamaha) are already offering their own relatively lightweight and value keyboard offerings, and while Casio still has the advantage of providing reasonably-priced, lightweight 88-key DP line (Privia series) with good weighted-key-action/feel, the other keyboard manufacturers are taking notice and it may just be a matter of time before they're able to come up with something that will take away such advantage. 

 

Their Privia line is probably selling reasonably/quite well. However, I think Casio shouldn't de-prioritize its WK-series line much in favor of the future iterations/versions of the PX-5S, PX-350 and XW-synth series). The WK-7xxx series which is supposed to be their "top-of-the-line" workstation keyboard should also get that pro upgrade features that the PX-5S and XW-series were provided with.

 

Casio should also consider getting/recording/providing better samples of commonly-used tones (instruments) for its WK-series (to include future versions of the PX-5s and XW-line) such as:

 

1) Strings/strings section (marcato, spiccato, sordino, legato would not only be welcome surprises but a welcome changes)

2) Brass/brass section (sforzando, portato, fall)

3) Guitars (both acoustic nylon/steel and electric)    

 

The aforementioned are usually the more criticized tones/samples in Casio keyboards. They've done quite well in the piano sound category and to a certain extent in the electric piano sounds (given the PX-5s), now its time to improve the other commonly-used (and criticized) instrument tones above.

 

The WK-series line should be provided with pro features and sounds worthy of being classified/categorized as and given a model name of "Workstation Keyboard" 7500/7600 (WK-7500/7600). Otherwise, people currently patronizing casio keyboards will just eventually get tired of the minor "updates" and Casio's continued limited I/O options (e.g. lack of MIDI In/Out, Expression pedal input, non-CC transmission of faders etc.) for its WK-series will only serve to drive away people (both existing and potential casio-keyboard customers) and force them to eventually go for the competition. The type of competition that is already trying to offer their own versions of value-for-your-money keyboards in order to take away Casio's advantage.

YOu are so right,with Yamaha and korg putting out models like krome or MOXF at reasonable price Casio better step up their game.

Its clear their focus are the Privia Lines. I had the PX5 in mind And I would have gone for it but it lacked built in drum patterns.

Unless they come up with something really impressive I will jump to the competition.

You did so good skipping the 7600 if you already have the Px5 you already have a great sounding piano...the rest of tones and rythms are not worth for you to buy it.Im only keeping mine cause I didnt have a weighted great sounding piano so Ill keep it at home for songwriting and just the love of playing a decent grand piano. Not for gigging though. The only gig I could use it is as a background jazz and ballads music,not for an uptempo

My opinion after a few weeks trying to tweak sound at the WK7600 is I have mixed feelings.

At one side I want to say Yeah Casio you are up there almost competeing with the pros for a reasonable price.

But I cant say it...why?

Because Im still trying to understand:

-how can you turn an awesome bank of realistic jazz R&B pop  latin rythms from the WK3300 into the toy like karaoke rythms in the WK7600?.They kept a few of them but very few are good enough at any semipro/pro gig

-How can you turn an intuitive keyboard perfect for live performing into such a  complex thing?.Im still trying to figure out how to adjust the drums volume and the splitted sections volume

-Why the sounds at the Wk 3300 where all ready to use without any editing or added effect and Ive had to spend days tweaking the sounds at the WK 7600 to make it sound aceptable?

I dont record on MIDI and I always prefer to record with my laptop thru a external USB soundcard.So I dont think Im going to even try to read how to record on this. Ive had enough trying to make it sound cool.

Good side about it? The keys feel wonderful the keybaord looks wonderful and once you edit the sounds the sounds are miles ahead the previous Wks .

BUt I also have to say the keyboard is lacking some sensitivity when applying  force. There use to be a distortion at the Wk3300 that I cant feel at the Wk 7600 when hitting hard. I mean those fender rhodes bass distortion,slap bass hit and grand piano distortion.

Im not buying an updated 7600 no way,(lets call it 7700¿?lol)

I would definately buy an improved WK 3800,with weighted keys stereo sound and decent drums. Its not that difficult casio,keep the good and grow from there. Does it make sense to go backwards? An SD card full of space and any recording capabilities are useless if the building block of a keyboard(sounds) are weak. 

Id rather buy a MIDI controler for  1/3 the price...Some of us still want a keyboard with decent  built in sounds.

Not to sound glib, but this is why you NEVER sell gear if you are fond of certain sounds / beats. At the very least sample the ones you like before you sell them. Better to wait and save a little longer and keep your old gear until you are sure you don't need it anymore. I know this doesn't help you now, just a word to the wise for the folks thinking of selling old to but new. 

You are  sooooo right.Lesson learned. The WK3300 was my first keyboard and due to the low price and Casio low fame compared to Yamahas etc I just couldnt wait to upgrade.I just asumed it would have the same sounds but impelmented(silly I know).

I wanted to skip the learning curve by sticking to Casio

Anyway Ive come to learn that WK3300 and WK3800 share sounds except for the disk,extra modulation wheel and stereo output in the 3800. there seem to be more Wk 3800's around so I probably buy it if I cant find the Wk 3300

fede4real

 

Here is a reply I made recently in another thread similar to this topic:

 

 

According to that old Casio international site I posted, the tone/rhythm compatibility groupings are as follows:

 

CTK-691 / WK-3000 / WK-3500

 

CTK-900 / WK-3200 / WK-3700

 

WK-3300 / WK-3800 / WK-8000

 

PX-410R / PX-575R  (Some data from this group may be compatible with the WK-3300/3800/8000 group.)

 

Occasionally, data will work on a non-compatible unit, but it is strictly a "cross your fingers and try" process.

Thank you but i think this refers more to people trying to ue sounds form one board into another right? What I need to know is if thre is much ifference in the bank sound of those boards.I guess I could only have that anwer from omeone who has used several models.I remember the guy at the store telling me that the only diference form the one I bought to another one was the MIDI or  card,omething about conectivity but the ouns where the same but I dont remember wich model it was...Its sa when a product is discontinued and not much info available

Hi

I want to buy the casio Wk 3300 cause I sold mine to buy the 7600 but I need some of the sounds and rythms from the 3300wk.

Its not that easy to find the exact model second hand in my town so I was wondering if other models of the WK series share the same rhythms and sounds.

Cause I see a lot of WK3000 WK 3200 and WK 3800

Thanks a lot

Carlos

 

See this reply I just made to a thread posted earlier today by "fede4real"

 

http://www.casiomusicforums.com/index.php?/topic/6558-can-i-load-sounds-from-a-wk3300-into-a-new-wk-7600/#entry19278

 

Regards,

 

Ted

Thank you Ted,it didnt alowed me to post so used another adress  I was in "desperate" mode trying to find an answer lol Ive decided to keep the WK7600 its a great board and try to buy back my wk 3300 some time soon.

By the way do you know if the wk 3300 shares tones and rythms with close models like  3500  WK3700 WK 3800...I remember hearing the only difference on some where connectivity things,but I dont know for sure.

I have 7600 for 2months, but im slightly disappointed with it.  It has no midi in.out which is more suitable for live performance than having to configure a computer, and I don't like the way it handles splits and layers ( see my previous comment about this )

 

Also there are no realtime controls for sustain or chorus  so again you have to mess about editing and saving tones to memory banks.

I feel you,Im on day 2 and I felt a bit dissapointed til I realized that yes the WK7600 may not be exactly what I was looking for.It may not be the right keyboard to gig solo or use as a synth for patches.

I was seriously thinking of sendint it back cause I was thinking of gigging this end of the year and it just didnt fit right with my repertoire...

But man I created a grand piano tone this morning and I just cant get rid of this keyboard.The keys feel so good,its light weight,its black and elegant fits anywhere in the house and you get such a quality Grand sound.

So at the end Im going to keep it just to play pianoa nd rhodes for the love of it. I dont like to plug a computer or whatever everytime I feel like playing.

This si the perfect keyboard to have around just to jam and work on ideas,play for your family etc. Plus the recording and mic in adds a lot to it.

And no matter if you have a synth full of sounds drums etc in your studio,you always need an elegant great sounding grand,for playing background anywhere,maybe a jazz gig or home. What Im gonna do is buy my old wk3300 use that one for gigging and keep this beautiful keyboard for home use

I was wondering has anybody got to make a good FM sound for the wk7600,or a Ep+strings but like the soft synths from whitney houston and greg philinganes. I had those sounds in the wk 3300,number 028 FMpiano,and number 044 keybod+strings. those were delicious

Hi everybody
I sold my wk3300 and bought the wk7600 thinking that it would inlcude the same sounds.
I like the new keys grand pianos and rhodes but Im missing a lot of sounds from the WK 3300 specially FM pianos. And also drum rhytms.
I was wondering if there is a way:

Find ,download tones from the wk 3300 since I sold the keybaord to a guy from another city

Load those sounds and rythms into the WK7600 via SD or USB. That would make it my perfect keyboard