aron

OK, here's what you do. You put a USB drive in there, press and hold MEDIA then choose save ALL Data. Then save your data. You should have a backup anyway. Then load the new all data file, locate the Wurly, then press and hold MEDIA again and choose save stage setting and save that single stage setting. Now press and hold MEDIA then choose LOAD ALL Data and load your backup ALL data file. Press and hold MEDIA then choose LOAD Stage Setting and load the saved Wurly file. Seems long but it's not. This is what I did for you for the Way - piano program.

It's in here:

No, I don't hear the bell tone you are talking about - but I am guessing it is the sound of the hammer hitting the strings which is completely natural at higher velocities. So I just adjusted the piano to remove the sound of the hammer hitting the string as much as I could. I think the problem is that the piano (like all piano samples in keyboards) is close mic'ed. But when we play a piano, we are not listening close to the strings, we listen from afar. That's why none of these stage pianos sound like a real piano - like when you are sitting at one. To me, they sound exactly like a close mic'ed piano that's playing through speakers. The only thing you can do is avoid that hammer strike sample (the higher velocity sample). But then you get a duller overall piano sound when playing hard. Just like I cannot dial in an electric piano that I hear due to the onboard samples, I don't think you can dial in the piano you want - because it's not there. I know Dave has answered my emails before.

OK here you go. I think it's just the modernGrnd sound but in any case:

The Way View File This is "the way" piano that people were trying to find. I took a look and it's a ModernGrnd tone. In any case, I removed the pad in the background so you can just play the piano sound. Submitter aron Submitted 05/03/2016 Category Privia PX-5S

OK try this stage setting. It filters out the high end but attempts to put some of it back with master EQ

Mello Piano - reduced Bell Tone View File This is an attempt to get rid of the harsher high end that some people perceive as a "bell tone". There is filtering on the high end and then boosts with the master EQ in an attempt to get back some of which was filtered. Submitter aron Submitted 05/03/2016 Category Privia PX-5S

Here is Dave Weiser: http://www.weisersound.com Interesting. So the test DID get rid of the "bell tone"? I looked and other than filtering the high end, there is no way to get rid of that on a normal tone. Which means you need to go to a hex tone. What it will mean is that you will lose the upper velocity of the piano - so basically all you will have is the low to medium strike of the piano. Dave might be able to salvage the low to mid strike and then filter the top strike enough so that you hear "less" bell tone, but it will still be there. When you adjusted the filter cutoff, was there any range that was OK? Maybe you could live with that for a while?

Did you try the modification?

Yeah try it. Lowering the cutoff on the filter did indeed kind of remind me of the Kurzweil piano sound - not as bright - and none of the extreme high end. It might work for you.

Try this to get rid of any "bell/hard hammer stike" Edit->Tone-Filter->Velocity Sense -64 Edit->Tone-Filter->Cutoff anywhere from -21 to -25 <<--- adjust this This will act as a lowpass filter and cut off the irritating highs you are hearing.

I know, some people have varying tastes. That much is so obvious in this thread. Did you contact Dave Weiser about your "bell tone" on the PX-5S? Maybe Casio will make a 6S and sample a different piano, or maybe allow different samples to be loaded into the new keyboard. Always possible.

OK wait a minute. First off, you do know you can add more programs to the Kurzweil? You are not limited to the variations of electric piano sounds onboard. Just like you are not limited to the variations on the PX. In fact the PX doesn't have that many raw EP waveforms - most of the EP are variations of the internal samples like any other keyboard. Yes, the splits and layers might be "more complicated" but that's because it does more. Do you know that the Kurzweil strings/brass are used on broadway shows and are among the best in the business? http://forums.musicplayer.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2628866/Re_Which_Keyboard_on_Broadway_ The vibrato is an old trick with looping meant to hide the loop sample. It's easily added to any sound - it's just a delayed LFO. That "expert" is totally wrong. They have been continually updating their samples - that's what the Kore64 was - additional samples. http://kurzweil.com/accessory/kore64/ Check out this thread which seems to echo what I have been saying: https://www.gearslutz.com/board/electronic-music-instruments-electronic-music-production/867156-workstation-best-orchestral-sounds.html You are also missing the fact that there's a virtual tonewheel organ in there - a killer one - really essential for Rock and Roll.

I used to run stereo (rack, 2 speakers), but then I ran through a period when I had a lot of gigs and lot of setup and breaking down quick. I gave up and now use a powered monitor. I only play in mono now - although I am keeping my eye on another powered monitor for stereo use. I play through either QSC 10,12 or newer EV 12 or a Carvin powered 15. On some other gigs, I play through a Bose L1 system - it's the club PA. I did see the Space Station but I would probably blow it up. On my jazz gigs, we sometimes play LOUD. I take the PX-5S, Korg Kronos and my Yamaha VL1 and it can get really loud. I know I would blow that speaker up, although I really need to start playing in stereo again. I had a chance to work with Michael Boddicker long ago - in his heyday with Lionel Ritchie. I drove him around etc and got to ask him questions. Cool guy!

I agree with you. Do you find the strings to be good when played live? I find that they are very sterile - no movement and not full. I had to mix the more synthesized strings in with the real strings to make it sound more decent for live. Yes, I have very little EP sounds that I am happy with - maybe 3 at the most.

I have only played the PC361 which is the precursor to that keyboard. VAST is still amazing if you are a programmer. Kurzweil keyboards are not "bright". They are full sounding and more mellow in terms of high end content. That being said, there's a global EQ and you can make it brighter - I know I did. The electric pianos on the Kurzweil are great and I enjoyed the keyboard very much. I miss it, but the airlines had dropped it so the backlight didn't work so I couldn't use it on stage. I could have fixed it, but I sold it and bought the Korg Kross since it was only 9 pounds and so far the airlines are having a hard time breaking it. :-) It took me a long time to like the Kurzweil piano, but eventually I did and I started using it on a lot of jazz gigs. I would have to say that for me, the PX-5S electric pianos and the strings are very, very weak to me. When compared to all my other keyboards, the sound/overall usability of the electric pianos and the strings are at the bottom. I use it and it does sound "ok" but there is a disconnect with these sounds for me. I really do like the piano - it was so great with the band last night!

I can't find it either. Please try and contact Dave Weiser - if anyone can "fix" the piano, he can. It's worth it.

Also, I know you said that there are only a few electric pianos in there - but I saw the list. Kurzweil nailed those sounds - the electric pianos are really great and dynamic. I used them all the time. The dynamic polyphony is the best in the business so even though it has "only" 128 voices, it plays like more. The only negative I had with my Kurzweil was that it was heavy and the airlines kept abusing my travel case and it caused problems with the keyboard. Otherwise I would still be using it. I got the Kronos as a backup to the Kurzweil and the PX because my S90ES was way too heavy to use with limited polyphony. The effects on the Kurzweil are also much higher quality than the PX effects and the programming potential is unmatched except for the Kronos. That being said, the PX-5S is fun and light and sounds fine. Even the piano believe it or not! :-)

>but they are limited to 8 rhodes' and 6-8 wurlys Again, there seems to be a misunderstanding. Like the fact that the Privia only has a few piano samples, you can make unlimited variations of the piano via programming. Same with the Artis SE. If you find the Kurzweil forum you will be able to download tons of programs as well. If you contact Dave Weiser http://www.weisersound.com He can hook you up with awesome sounds. Come to think of it, if anything can be done about your "bell tone", HE is the one that could solve it. Contact him. He is a professional programmer.

>the px kills it hands down with the EP sounds and other assorted samples If the Artist is anything like the PC361 I had, I have to disagree. The electric piano sounds were great! Very dynamic and very, very useable. The Kurzweil string sounds were really great - much better than the PX-5S - especially for live and the VAST engine is way more powerful and analog sounding than the PX. There is no keyboard (other than Kronos) that is more powerful than the VAST engine in Kurzweil keyboards. If there is one keyboard that can turn a cat into a dog, it's Kurzweil.

>a little intelligence (like Mr. Choppin) would be appreciated rather than sarcasm. Well lets think about this. Was it you (I could be incorrect) that said if you recorded your piano sound and played it back through your computer speakers the bell sound is not there? Think about it. What does that mean? Didn't you also say that when you changed a number of parameters in the tone editor you couldn't hear the difference? When you turned up resonance and adjusted filter cutoff you didn't hear the difference - that's why you were asking what it does? This is not meant to be a slight at all, but despite being told repeatedly that the basic piano sound cannot be changed - this thread keeps going. Whatever you are hearing - most people do not hear it and you cannot hear it when you record your piano sound and play it back on your own speakers. This "bell tone" is not going to go away because it whatever you are hearing is in the basic sample. You can cut away frequencies etc... but all you will do is ruin the piano sound. The only answer is to get another keyboard that doesn't have the bell tone or can load alternate samples. The PX-5S is not it. Think about it. Let's say the piano plays a cat meow, but you want a dog. You can EQ all you want - you can alter the envelopes and try to make it sound like a dog, but the basic recording is a cat. Maybe with extreme DSP and the right morphing algorithms and "tone matching" technology, you might be able to turn the cat into a dog, but it will always be a cat at the basic level. You won't be able to turn the cat into a dog using a lowpass filter or EQ. You can speed up and slow down the envelopes but it won't change the cat into a dog. The questions you ask seem simple, but they require knowledge of how keyboards store their samples. It requires knowledge of what you can and cannot do with subtractive synthesis and the limitations imposed by tones verses hex tones. It requires knowledge of how layers are played and switched via velocity or crossfades. It requires basic knowledge of what a lowpass filter with resonance does. No one doubts that you hear something. But are you listening when we say that the basic samples cannot be changed and the sound you hear is inherent in the samples of this instrument? I am no stranger to not liking something in a keyboard that cannot be changed. My Juno G couldn't make a decent electric piano sound. I couldn't take it and sold it. I know how you feel.

You cannot load "samples" from other keyboards into the PX-5S. Only settings files - you cannot change the basic waveforms i.e. sounds that are already in the keyboard. You can only modify what is there.

They are editing HEX tones. You are just tweaking regular tones. Try the editor, it makes a little more sense then.