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Well the PX-5S is a sample player so right off the bat it's going to have that going against it. Then there is the fact that the effects are "clean" so there's that. But please keep in mind that despite all of these "limitations:", as soon as I dial up my organ sound on the PX-5S, not one person says it doesn't sound like an organ and not only that, they say it's sounds like a B3 - despite all the limitations. Yes, it's not going to be like my Kronos or Nord C, but for organ sounds - hey not bad!

Sorry to ask this stupid question but.... MIDI OUT from the VR to MIDI IN on the PX-5S right?

Check out my post: Apparently the LSB is ignored. I can't see anything wrong you are doing. Try it with the PX5S on global 1 as well as the VR-09 and work from there.

Modern Grand is good too. It's not going to sound like a Yamaha because it's a Steinway.

Here you go: https://priviapro.wordpress.com/2014/09/17/how-to-load-stage-settings-from-the-usb-drive/

The Quicco Mi.1 wireless interface works with the PX-5S as well, so you can wirelessly change the stage settings.

Just FYI, in unrealBook MIDI Send: B0 00 70 C0 XX Where XX is any number from 0-99 in hex. This will dial up the stage setting.

I like Sibelius

I think there's only one other lightweight controller out there that is low cost and that is the Kross. IMO the piano is not as good but is useable. I have one and I have fun playing it. You might like it since the piano is bright in timbre.

I have been playing Yamaha all my life and I still don't hear the "bell sound". I cannot help but think it's a speaker resonance problem. I hear ringing when playing a Motif through speakers like the Roland keyboard amps or other speakers with too much midrange. I do think the PX is slightly heavy in the low mids (below middle C), but that's it. I do not hear anything different in the tone of the piano above middle C. This statement just gets me as well, I don't understand this: ?when I recorded it from my speakers and played it back through the speakers it also sounded fine?

Why did you order another? Whatever you are hearing is in the sample. The new one will be exactly the same. This is a digital instrument - the only way it would sound radically different is if somehow your master settings etc... were screwed up, but since you only hear these problems in the piano sample, it will be there in your new PX. I don't know if a LOT of people are hearing this sound. I don't even know what the "bell" sound is. I am still waiting for someone to post a sample. It's easy enough to do with a USB stick.

>one thing to do is use a computer to monitor all of the px output and see if any midi notes/events aren't being tranmitted. Yep, at this point, this is the main debug tool. An iPad will do but you need a MIDI interface.

Thanks. I have the slower electric pianos down, I need the more aggresive comping/soloing sounds more.

I do understand not liking the sound of a keyboard. I sold my Roland keyboard because it couldn't make a decent electric piano sound. I tried programming, everything - it was just not able to do it for me, so I sold it. I got a Kurzweil PC361 which was awesome, but injury prone. At first, I hated the piano - I couldn't stand that dark sound - like having a blanket over the piano. But over time, I started liking it and I started playing with it a lot. That was a really great keyboard. For me, the PX-5S mid-lower piano is a little muddy through the systems I play through - I've been working with the EQ on this. I think I have also made the high end a little too bright. But overall, I really like the sound live - the high end punches right through and the low end is amazing. To be honest, I like 1 of the electric pianos on the PX-5S and it sounds good, but the main - dyno type piano is not responsive enough - compared to my Kronos. So I am dealing with that. The problem with the PX-5S is that what you hear in the headphones is radically different from what I hear through speakers. So I program everything through speakers - the strings are this way as well.

I took a listen to the raw waves in HEX tone mode. If you are really talking split points, then there is nothing you can do. I hear that split you talk about and it's in the multi-sample. Maybe you could split and pitch down a layer to mask the split point, but the bigger problem is that you need to redo all the velocity layers in the HEX tone. Maybe you can start with another HEX tone already done but it's a heck of a lot of work and what seems interesting to me is that both of you guys are using the Rock piano setting which is the most clangy piano in the bunch and sounds to me like exactly the sound you do not want to use. I guess I would take the F4 to C5 and pitch that down in another layer of the hex tone and that will make it darker but it might sound obvious.

Can someone use the USB recorder and show us the bell sound. BTW: Casio would have sampled the piano directly so whatever you guys are hearing is present on the real piano. It costs a LOT to sample and loop an entire piano. I assume that part of why you purchased a PX-5S was the price, so I really doubt it would be worth your while to have CASIO resample another piano. If they extended the loops downward it would sound terrible. Just get another keyboard that can replace the piano samples. Korg Kronos, Nord Stage, Yamaha XF etc.... Playing the piano sound with just the middle part of the amplitude range played louder and softer does not seem natural or ideal to me in any way. In any case, good luck with your HEX layer but you are still using the same piano samples - just using the less "bell like" samples. Honestly I have no idea what bell like sounds you are hearing. Would be nice to actually hear what you guys are talking about. Maybe you guys just don't like the sound of a Steinway or whatever piano they sampled?

https://www.pianoteq.com

Honestly, the only thing you can do is work with the master effect EQ or DSP EQ, nothing else will really change the character of the piano for you since I guess you are hearing something in the original samples. Maybe you are hearing the sample of the attack but "bell like" is not what I would describe it. I always thought that Roland keyboards have a harsh attack and definitely a 2 layer attack sound - one mellow, the other harsh and hard. Kurzweil, much more muted and smoother - I think you would like the Kurzweil. The Korg Kronos has tons of acoustic pianos and you would love this keyboard - but it is not cheap or light. The Yamaha pianos would be too bright for you - the exception would be the S90ES or the very latest Motif - but neither is light or cheap. I would definitely purchase a keyboard that can take new samples - this would mean something like the Kronos, Nord stage or Motif. That way you are not limited to one piano sample. I will also say, NONE of them sound like sitting at a real piano - this is because they are all sampled close to the strings. Every single one of the keyboards have split points and it seems every model has at least one person that can hear the split points or complain about a sample that is out of tune, or has an attack or the release is not natural etc.... At this point, I believe the only solution might be software based. There are a number of software modeled pianos which are entirely smooth up and down the range but then you need to carry a computer around. https://www.pianoteq.com Good luck in your search.

On the Korg forum, someone was complaining about a "bell tone". Turned out it was the fact that the highest notes were not damped. He called it a "bell tone". I know that's not what the OP is talking about. Maybe the hammer attack????

To debug this you would have to connect the MIDI out of the Privia to a computer or Kuzweil keyboard and enter MIDI debugging/logging mode to see what the Privia is sending out.

I have no idea what bell tones they are talking about. The Privia sounds similar to tons of other pianos I have on other instruments. IMO the base sample will not be changed, so the only thing to do is get a different keyboard.

check this out: http://forums.musicplayer.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/1087566/What_s_a_resonant_filter

Usually there is a base MIDI channel (like 1). If the Privia is sending on channel 1 and the SK1 is silent what happens when you play the SK1 directly? Does it make a sound?

Move the cutoff slider down to a lower setting, then set the resonance high, then move the cutoff slider up and down, see if you hear a difference.