Hugh O Kelly Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 I write a simple 2 bar drum loop in logicExport it as a midi fileput it into the editorand it loops it back and works …………..but with an extra 1/2 barSo I change the selected measure to 2-4,or 1-2or 1-3Always with a blank section ! what am I doing wrong ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Choppin Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 See if this helps: On the keyboard press [Phrase] onceUse the + and - keys on the right hand side to select the phrase you will want to overwrite (usually a user number >100) Press[Phrase] a second time to make it and the Record light flash. On the small display you should see Rec Mode [New]. And if you Cursor down to End Measure, Use the - key until you set this to [Auto] Press [Phrase] once again to turn the phrase editing off. In the Editor, using the Phrase Convert button, choose your midi file, make sure Channel 10 is set (for drums), choose your measures, drag the midi file from left side to right side. Choose the Transfer button, Make sure Phrase is selected from the drop down above, drag your converted measures to the phrase slot you just set up a little earlier. Play your phrase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh O Kelly Posted November 30, 2013 Author Share Posted November 30, 2013 Thank you again Choppin,My two drum machines died and I must get the drums on the PX-5s working for playing live.I find it very good that each program (or stage setting) remembers its own tempoGood for changing into new songs fast.Since I record the drums in logic on channel 1 ,will I still have to change it to 10 ? ThanksHugh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Choppin Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Hi Hugh, Try it on either. See what happens. Usually drums are on midi channel 10, but if you recorded them on 1, give it a go. If it doesn't work, try switching the channel in logic to 10 before you save the midi file - see if it makes any difference. As far as the measure timing, setting the phrase to auto on the keyboard should allow it to adjust to whatever midi timing is in the file. Make sure your midi file has a time signature. If the measures in logic are layed out with the correct timing, I'm not sure why you would be off an entire half measure on the Px-5s. Do you have firmware 1.11 installed? There were some timing issues with loops that I think were corrected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh O Kelly Posted November 30, 2013 Author Share Posted November 30, 2013 Choppin, I did what you said but it did not work for my midi drums correctly on 1 or 10I then tried it with a midi track (treasure ,Bruno Mars) and it worked perfectlyPerhaps it doesn't like my drum programming ! Then I deleted the notes only on the track (treasure ,Bruno Mars) and left the midi commands and put in a simple loop Not today????? yes I have the latest firmware 1.11 installedprobably something simpleWhat do you think ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Choppin Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 I don't understand what you mean when you say your midi drums don't work correctly but your midi track does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh O Kelly Posted November 30, 2013 Author Share Posted November 30, 2013 What it is,is that I write my own drum tracks and tweak it to get it just right for my playingthose did not work soI then used "treasure" midi file and it worked fine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh O Kelly Posted November 30, 2013 Author Share Posted November 30, 2013 Because I come from the drum machine worldwe always write our own patternsie all the usual pop,rock,jazz and more jazz,blues stuff but also patterns just for my playing original tunes'cause I write a lot of my own stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Choppin Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 So, if you write a drum machine pattern, you can't save that as a midi file? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh O Kelly Posted December 1, 2013 Author Share Posted December 1, 2013 If I write my own midi file which I used to in the pastWhat I did is use a template midi file and then write the song so it would work if any one else was using a midi keyboard.(It was a while back,20 years)but drums was always on 10,bass on 2 etc. from what I remember.So what I was effectively doing ( or trying to do ) was, write my own midi file with two bars of drumsMy reasoning is if it works for a standard midi ,it should work for mine ! No ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Choppin Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Hi Hugh, A couple of things to consider: if you are using a midi template from 20 years ago, there's a chance it isn't GM compliant - meaning the instruments/patches may not match up the way you want. If you are using drum machine hardware from 20+ years ago, the same thing applies. In fact if a midi file is produced from that drum machine it may contain a lot of proprietary midi information that is only useful to other devices of that brand. I did a couple of tests using Hydrogen software drum machine, and Anvil Studio. I produced a midi file from each. Each file contained 1 track that was set to midi channel 10. All drums. I converted and copied over the midi file to the Px-5s as a phrase using the editor. Both files worked fine. In Anvil, I created a 2 bar drum pattern. Worked fine. In Hydrogen, I created a 29 bar drum thingy - worked fine also in the Px-5s. A thing to note about Hydrogen, the drums don't seem to match the GM specification so not everything sounds the same, but the measure length was correct. I can only speculate that the midi file you are producing/using may be a little off somewhere. If you have the time or the inclination, try downloading Anvil Studio. It's pretty simple to use and it has a drum machine pattern generator (rhythm track creator) and there's a free version. See if you can just get a drum pattern you create to work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh O Kelly Posted December 2, 2013 Author Share Posted December 2, 2013 Sorry Choppin,I have not explained this well.What I do now is this;I get a modern midi fileimport it into logicSolo the drumsbut delete the 'notes' but leave the former set up information on the track so logic still thinks it is a midi track(control ch 10 Bank MSB ,volume, pan, exp )etcthenI write my own drum trackthen export it as a midi file and thenfollow your instructionsin my way of thinking,it should work I find it difficult to write my own phrases in the px 5s but I'm getting better at itSlow and tedious drums on zone 1 with volume on K3because it would not work unless zone 1 was on I just assigned the drums to the bottom noteNow K3 works well as volume for the drums Thanks Choppin for putting up with my badly phrased way of explaining myself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Choppin Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 Hi Hugh, I pulled out an ancient copy of logic I have. I'm not sure if it operates the same way as the current versions, but perhaps... Anyway, my goal was to create a midi file from scratch. To start, on the transport, I set the end measure to 2 so my sequence will only be 2 measures long. Next, in the Arrange window, I used the pencil tool to draw a sequence on the drum track. I then open the Matrix Editor (Piano Roll) and created a drum pattern. I then export it as a midi file. From there I use the computer editor for the Px-5s to do the conversion and the transfer onto the keyboard as a phrase. It works and doesn't create the extra half measure. I recommend creating your midi file of the drum beat completely from scratch as there may be residual information from using the premade file you manipulate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh O Kelly Posted December 2, 2013 Author Share Posted December 2, 2013 Thanks ChoppinI will try just thatI though it would work for in theory it should Thanks againHugh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh O Kelly Posted December 3, 2013 Author Share Posted December 3, 2013 Well I tried what you said in piano roll /step timeand what ever I do I'm getting 1 1/2 times what I put inI've got logic 9 I'm looking for a high bridge to jump off ! one thing I did find outit doesn't have to be channel 10but it must be the same channel when you change the midi file into a phrasemeaning if you record drums in channel 10 and try to put it into 1 ,it will not go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh O Kelly Posted December 6, 2013 Author Share Posted December 6, 2013 Still can't do itso I'm learning how to program in step time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh O Kelly Posted December 12, 2013 Author Share Posted December 12, 2013 Done it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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