bob green

Here's the vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UB_Eo0ubPlk&ab_channel=CarensoIvy

This isn't Carenso's latest edit, it it? I caught a YouTube  vid different from the one above where he's demonstrating an updated preset.....

Success! I wasn't having any luck w/the canned air, but blowing a couple of sharp puffs on either side of the key seems to have taken care of the issue and my Px5S is ready to roll.....thanks for your help Brad!!

So, I have a bum key on my Px5S. I can play it soft, but it jumps to max velocity with the slightest amount of force. (And HEY! for once it's not the dreaded Bb!) Anyway, before I jump down the rabbit hole of taking the beast apart (I live in Podunk SW Indiana and the nearest Casio service center is HOURS away, plus my baby's WAY out of warranty) I thought I would at least try spraying some canned air in there and see if I get lucky. My issue is, if I put the little red tube down between the keys and spray away, it looks like that's exactly where the air is going....between the keys. It dosen't look to me like there's any way it's going where the problem would be....UNDER the key. Am I missing something? IOW, is there some way to direct the air in such a way as to at least have a shot of this working? It's probably really obvious, but any suggestions would still be very welcome. Thank y'all!

On 10/10/2022 at 3:06 PM, Choppin said:

a possibility...  Set the slider on the zone to a MIDI CC that the tone doesn't use.  On your receiving device, have the CC output from the PX read and control the external sound.  For your external sound you would have to likely program it to respond in whatever way to the CC being transmitted.

 

This depends on the programability of your external sound - can it receive any CC and assign it to control volume, for example?  If not, you could use a bridge program like MIDI OX to receive the weird CC from the PX and convert that to a CC 7 or CC 11 before transmitting it to your external receiving device.

Seems feasible.....only stopping point would be that I don't know how flexible my receiving device (Nord Electro 3) is as far as reasigning CC #'s.....worth a shot though.......

Yeah, that's what I figured.....

I use my Px5S to control an external sound source, as well as its internal sounds. Is there any way to control volume of an external sound, say, with a slider, while having the internal sound on the same layer ignore the slider? I know I can use a different zone for the external sound, but I'm using the same note range for both, and with only 4 zones available I'm trying to see if I can squeeze a bit more out of the stage setting. Thanks!!

I LOVE the Px5-S. I own 2. The only thing I can think of to change would be....FIX THE DANG Bb KEY ISSUE......other than THAT it's about the perfect gigging board for this guy......

I'll check it out.......gotta say though, I've been trying to cleanse my ear of that DX "Rhodes" since 1983 or so.....I'd be in it for the Wurli though.....

Welcome to the "Bb Velocity Issue" Club! Make sure to get your secret decoder ring.....

Seriously, one thing to try, which has worked for me on both my Px5s's, is to set the max volume for any zone that employs the offending note to 126 or lower. Since the note wants to sound out at full volume, this (seems) to prevent it from doing so. Not sure if this will affect your particular flavor of this issue, but it can't hurt to try.....

Cheers!

BINGO! I'm there.....thank you SO MUCH Brad! I really wasn't thinking about it on a "zone" level, and THAT was what was causing the problem....

Thanks! And it does help, partly....what I'm really looking for is the ability to have, say, a string or organ sound on the Nord, and to pull that up on slider 1 to layer with the Px's piano sound, over the whole range of the keyboard. If I turn the generator out to OFF, I can play the Nord but obviously not the Px's piano. Another wrinkle seems to be that, while I can raise or lower the volume of the Nord with the slider configured in this way, when I pull the slider all the way down (000) I still hear output from the Nord, albeit lower in volume. Any ideas?

Hi all,

This is probably really basic, but I can't wrap my head around how....

I want to use slider #1 on the Px5S to control the volume on my Nord Electro 3, without affecting the sound on the Px5S. The Nord's midi implementation says that it will respond to CC7 messages, but I can't figure out how to get the slider to send them. That's pretty much it, I know it should be easy (or an impossibilty.....hope not!) but I can't make it work and any assisstance would be greatly appreciated!

21 hours ago, Jokeyman123 said:

Only if you play it......

Trust me, I can make a $100,000 piano sound like it's only worth $1,000 in a heartbeat.....

Wait.....you mean my $1000 Px5s is incapable of sounding like a 100k Steinway? Who do I see about a refund?

From another discussion about this issue.....this seems to have fixed the propblem for me as well.....Thanks, Redwave!

"It happened on the Ab below middle C for me. Since the second strike is velocity 127 which I rarely if ever generate in my playing, I was able to work around the problem by setting maximum velocity to 126 in every zone which includes this key (in stage settings where I actually need this particular note). The second strike then disappears and the first strike sounds normally."

Ahhhhh thank you my good man!

Where can I find the video?

Best emulation of this I ever had was on an OLLLLLLLLD Ensoniq SD-1.....the way they did it, the note being rolled triggered on BOTH the key down and key up. Kind of I guess how that problem of keys retriggering on release occurs, only in this case on purpose. Speed of the roll was controlled by speed of pressing and releasing the key, and velocity controlled the dynamic and timbre of the tympani. Would there be a way to program this? It made for a pretty realistic sounding roll.....

On 12/24/2019 at 6:21 PM, craZivn said:

 

Won't that effectively mute the offending key though, since it's registering as being struck at full velocity?

Because in this case the problem occurs when the key is released, this fix solves it (so far).....I tried it and have played 2 gigs now without having the issue rear its ugly head!

What you're describing is a different issue than the "double strike". I've had that occur in several other keybords as well, and I think in that case disassembly and cleaning of the offending key contact will likely be the only option. I doubt doing a reset will help....

On 12/24/2019 at 12:08 PM, Redwave said:

It happened on the Ab below middle C for me. Since the second strike is velocity 127 which I rarely if ever generate in my playing, I was able to work around the problem by setting maximum velocity to 126 in every zone which includes this key (in stage settings where I actually need this particular note). The second strike then disappears and the first strike sounds normally.

Tried this and I'm happy to report it works a treat for solving this! I used my more, problematic, Px5s on last night's gig and this appears to have fixed the problem.....

I'm not in front of my Px5s at the moment, but that looks like something that might work......where do you go in the editing to do that?

Check it.....think I found it.....

On 11/25/2019 at 5:32 PM, craZivn said:

I think the Bb key issue might be solved by something as simple as switching to a different type of grease in the keybed, since it seems to me that the main contaminant I find in there is oil that has separated from the keybed grease and capillary-actioned it's way onto the PCB.  Which means maybe Casio can implement it on the current PX with a simple change on the production line?

 

Ivan

Those of us dealing with it now are hosed, apparently, though........

You know, it's kind of a drag though. It seems like this has occured often enough (as I say, personally I own two with the issue) that Casio might consider some kind of remedy. I remember having a Yamaha S90 that began to have keys that kind of "leaned" left and right after a while. Yamaha said it was a known issue and shipped me (out of warranty) a replacement keybed, free of charge, all I had to do was pay to have it installed, and it fixed the problem. Guess we would have to hit critical mass on the number of Px5s's with this particular problem for something like THAT to occur, but it sure would be nice to have it fixed once, and fixed right......