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Hi @Chandler Holloway, Once again an impressive job. This is really too bad that the DSPs ofmthe original CT-X700/800 rhythms are not documented. Could I suggest to you to release the rhythms you succeeded to fully convert and to put the other rhythms on hold until you’ve found out more about the DSPs? Maybe other forum members could help you in this task. This DSP business is interesting. It means it could theoretically be possible to apply some other DSPs to the original rhythms. It could be interesting to put some Flanger on an organ, or to enhance the reverb in a rhythm with strings, etc. By the way, have you been able to devised a kind of DSP table for the CT-X700/800? Vinciane.

Hi Giano, Thanks for your kind words. I am also dying to go to a summer outdoor festival. Hopefully we’ll have again the opportunity to attend concerts and have a meal in a restaurant in the foreseeable future. Regards, Vinciane

@faz726So why didn’t you keep it as a second keyboard?

@CasiofunWell the problem is that if you cut costs too much, you risk compromising with quality to the point where the goods you're selling might be unusable. I'd rather pay more money and keep my keyboard at least fir a few years. This one was already faulty after only one month of usage.

Well, this is not normal when it impairs the normal use of the keyboard as a musical instrument. And in my case it is not just the fact that the keys are clacky (I could live with that), but that the touch quality is impacted and also that for a few keys, the sound is strongly distorted. Even in cheap instruments, the build quality should respect some standards, this is why there is a warranty period by the way. I also have had some cheap Yamaha keyboards over the years, and although one could discuss at length about which of both brands (Vasio or Yamaha) offers better keyboards musically speaking and in terms of the technical features, there is no question IMO that the Yamaha PSR E series are better built than the Casio CT-X range. I think this is precisely the reason why Yamaha is selling more beginner keyboards than Casio: because their instruments, even the cheapest, are reliable. This is a pity because the AiX chip of the CT-X series is a killer. And speaking of performance, even when you have a keyboard with cool sounds and cool features, what’s the point when the keybed is so poorly built that it impairs both the musicality and the usability of the instrument? Vinciane

In my case the keyboard was already faulty after one month of owning it. I would have sent it back for a refund but I was a couple of days too late. So I sent it for repair instead, but the repair facility did not repair it at all. I hope that this time they will repair it properly, and if they can’t, that I’ll get either a replacement keyboard or a refund.

In my cas my CT-X800 had this issue only one month after having bought it. I would have returned it but it was a few days late so I sent it to the repair shop Instead under the warranty scheme. Unfortunately when it came back the issue wasn’t solved. I had more critical issues to sort out and sent it again to the repair shop during the last days of the warranty scheme. I want the keyboard either to be repaired or replaced if they cannot repair it. On top of having clacky keys the sound of a few keys (including the C above middle C) is completely distorted.

Hi everyone, About one year ago, I recorded my own arrangement using the chord progression of Pachelbel’s Canon. I did this to explain to my husband (now deceased) the rather sophisticated possibilities of even a beginner keyboard such as the CT-X800. We choses together the various tones and he gave me some advice on the meolody, etc. Had he lived longer, I think he would have taken on playing the keyboard (he used to sing and play bluesharp). The whole track was done on the CT-X in the course of two hours, one February evening last year. I used solely the CT-X and nothing else. A few days ago, before sending my CT-X back to the repair facility because of faulty keys, I saved all user files from the internal memory and also recorded an audio version of the Canon on a very old white MacBook, which is at least 1,000,000 years old but has the davantage of an integrated audio interface. I did the recording without any editing at all with an old version of Audacity. The original Canon by Pachelbel is of course in D but I did this version in C because it was easier to demonstrate multitrack recording in C. The birds at the beginning and end of the track are an internal sound of the keyboard, I found that neat to use these sound effects. The Cello is the solo violin, set to one octave lower. Enjoy, all comments welcome. 😎 Vinciane Canon in C.mp3

Hi actually I shipped the keyboard only today because I had mor urgent problems to sort out (notably which my best friend broke both her cuffs and I am trying to help her and her 81 years old mother as best as I can). I marked the faulty keys, I enclosed a letter in the keyboard box for the engineers and sent a copy of this letter by email to the repair service with a copy of the videos I recorded the first time this problem occurred, two years ago ; I am reposting those here. I also suggested that they phone me when the keyboard arrives at the repair shop, I hope they will do it. Since the repair service agreed to take the keyboard back while it was still under full warranty, if they do not succeed to repair it (they did not the firs time round), am I entitled to a refund or a replacement from Casio? I know these keyboards are not that expensive but a new keyboard would be off budget for me right now. I’ll do an update when the keyboard comes back. Vinciane BAEDF7DF-4F9F-43FB-97B8-D8BCD013E9AB.MOV 0EA6D43A-B8FD-4D3D-BA13-966571187D8D.MOV

Hi @Chandler Holloway Once again, very impressive work! I looked at your handwritten list of the CT-X700/800preset rhythms. I noticed that Casio’s engineers also mixed some fills with variations they were not meant for in the first place. Now, this is interesting because in some rhythms, some of the fills are more usable than others and sometimes you wish that you could use any of the fills with any of the variations depending on the song you’re playing. This leads me to a question: is there any way on the CT-X700/800 while playing live to trigger, let’s say, Fill 1 to 2 then Variation 1 (instead of Variation 2) or, conversely, to trigger Fill 2 to 1 followed by Variation 2 (instead of Variation 1)? Or, in the same fashion, on the CT-X3000/5000 to trigger any Fill you wish before any of the 4 Variations? Of course, there is a workaround in that it is now possible to rearrange various parts of any rhythm and save a new version of the rhythm with the rearranged parts. Interestingly, it is also possible to play the Intro or the Ending at any time. I did this once when I didn’t like the Ending at all so I reused the Intro at the end of my song, finishing with a resolution that I played myself after the Intro (because obviously most of the time the Intro will end on a suspension and the resolution will come when playing the first chord with Variation I). When you do this, the only thing to have in mind is that after the Intro you’ll have one of the Variations playing, whereas after the Ending, normally the song will stop (but you can still trigger any of the Variations when the Ending is still playing). So the Rhythm Controller really is offering a lot of flexibility. This leads me to another silly question: is it possible to swap the Intro with the Ending? Just for fun. Regards, Vinciane

Hi Alex which style did you use from the E463 library?

Nice stuff @Chandler Holloway😎I am really looking forward for Part 4. Recording complete songs is one of the fun features of these keyboards.

@Just AlexSo eventually when you have more time, will you be able to program for instance Mr. Dance with a Major intro and Dr. Dance with a minor intro (or the reverse)? I also quite like the idea of using the unused track for strings or a dreamy pad or whatever.

Yes; excepted that I am speaking of @Just Alexcustom styles, which have only one intro Well @Chandler HollowayHere, I am not speaking about the two intros, but rather about the fact that having two separate files, each with two different variations, aka MAin A and B in the first file and Main C and D in the second file, will give access to all 4 variations of a given rhythm to CT-X700/800 users, who have only acces to two variations at a time.

Nice. Here I cannot figure out what the Intro and Ending are doing when playing minor chords...

Indeed it does, both Intro and Ending are completely different melodies when I play a Major or a minor chord on the CT-X700/800. Whereas when I try Mr. Dance or Dr. Dance and I play a minor chord Intro and Ending are always Major and feel wrong. Major chords are fine.

I just found your message. I'll try it out later this evening because here it is 4 pm and I want to get out before the curfew for the pandemic at 6 pm 😷

Actually for CT-X700/800 owners it would be great if you kept the two-files version as well, this would enable us to access all 4 variations through using two different reg memory slots for both 2-variations files.

Too bad. Maybe @Chandler Holloway could help us in this? I am frustrated because globally, I find that the CT-X keyboards have great sounds, but Yamaha styles are more flexible and there are much more software tools available to tweak them. Too bad. @Just Alex Unfortunately the custom tone option won’t work because you cannot use the CT-X3000/5000 custom tones on the CT-X700/800 where tone editing is pretty much limited to layering and adding some reverb or delay, chorus or flanger. Yes I know I should buy the CTX-3000 but I don’t have the budget right now, so I’ll have to make do with the CT-X800. But I am going to check the data list for the CT-X800. Maybe some usable preset sound contains a inbuilt DSP with the required twirling effect... This whole process is great fun anyway 🙃

This is why I suggested using a major intro for the first style file and a minor intro for the second style file. Since you have two files anyway it should be OK to have two different Intros for the two files.

Hi I can’t do that unfortunately because there is no Mixer on the CT-X800. The onboard editing of styles is impossible and would require external software. But the global volume of the style is very low as compared with the CT-X800 internal styles anyway. As for panning, I know that it cannot change while a rhythm variation is currently being played. What I mean is that you could maybe try to use different plannings in the 4 variations or in the fills, this would add some movement illusion to the style when switching from one variation to another. This is why I suggested adding an effect if the onboard rhythm editor allows this in the CT-X3000/5000. Adding a rotary speaker effect or a flanger could give some movement to the style voices, if this is technically feasible with the onboard rhythm editor, of course.

Hi Alex I think I understood correctly. What I mean is that the Intro you used doesn’t feel appropriate in minor, because the major chords don’t seem to switch to minor when a minor chord (e. g. Amin) is pressed when triggering the intro. So it is not really posssible to use the intro when playing a minor tune using this style.

Hi @Just Alex I just tried out both files on my CT-X800. They sound good. I have a few comments: - If I have only one Intro, I’d rather choose the Minor intro. I tried out both files with the Major Intro but I noticed that I tend to use this style more in minor mode (it goes better with this type of New-Age, Trance music). By the way, even if you put only one Intro into the style,file, I think that there is a way to program the Intro - even if there is only one - to switchautomaticslly its chord progression to minor chords even if the roots of the chords remain the same. @Chandler Holloway Could you please tell me whether I’m correct in this assumption? - On the CT-X800, the style volume is way too low if you want to solo on the style while playing chords in the “FullRange” mode, even when the accompaniment volume is put at its maximum value of 255. It would be nice to make the whole style louder. - To mimics the dynamic reverb of the original Yamaha style, you could envisage placing the various voices of the style in different places of the stereo space (panning) from extreme left to extreme right. You could then move the voices from left to right or, conversely, from right to left, depending on which of the variations will be chosen. This would make the style spacially more dynamic. - IMHO the style would benefit of a heavier global reverb and maybe some twirling effect, I don't know whether it is possible to tweak the rhythm effects directly on the CT-X3000/5000? Maybe a Flanger or a Rotary speaker would be nice. - Since the style comes divided into two files anyway, for CT-X700/800 users, it could be convenient to have the style files in the following fashion: First file: Intro 1, Main A, Fill A to B, Main B, Fill A to C, Ending 1. Second file : Intro 2, Main D, Fill D to A, Main C, Fill C to D, Ending 2. This is because CT-X700/800 users will need to use reg memories to access all 4 variations. If you play the first file which will e.g. be located in memory slot 1, you will play Main A, then Fill A to B, then Main B. You will then move to memory slot 2, but the rhythm will be set to Var 2 at that time, so it makes sense that you will want to have Main C in Var 2 for the second file. I don’t know whether this is clear...? Thanks again for the work you’ve already put into this 😊 looking forward to the next step. Regards, Vinciane

Hi @Just Alex this sounds really great. Are you intending to release the style file as well? Thanks.