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@Jokeyman123 I will try to get around to doing that if i have time, been more busy than usual lately so not had much time to play. Would i just record a wav file direct from the instrument or is there another way? Only reason i ask is because the last time that i recorded a wav file directly it reportedly sounded fine which wasnt what i was hearing live...

@Mike Martin Sorry for the late reply, been busy lately. Trying to compare the 2 again (recording vs PX-S3000 playback) and give an accurate description of the difference is somewhat difficult to put into words other than what ive previously stated. The recording sounds more... full, seems to have a wider sound with more presence and clarity, the sound im hearing on my PX-S3000 sounds less full, more compressed, lacks presence and is more dull sounding/less clear as if holding the left most pedal (on a 3 pedal unit)... also the recording seems to have more detail to the sound, sounds more realistic whereas my PX-S3000 sounds more artificial like a cheaper keyboard. Not sure i can do better than that, if any other users with this issue want to add their own comparison/thoughts that might help.

I listened to the MP3 on computer. I will play back the recording on my PX-S3000 via bluetooth later and report back to you. Thanks

@Mike Martin Thanks for posting again. Using the same headphones (Blon BL-03) for listening to both the recording and the file played back on my PX-S3000 and they do not sound identical. The recording sounds better.

@Brad Saucier Thanks for removing. Usually its fine, but yes it became unresponsive whilst trying to post.

@Mike Martin TBH i have been using the Blon BL-03 (32ohms) more lately, but again even though they are 32ohms i still cannot reproduce the same tonal quality of the demos and the examples you posted. Again the 'file' when tried on my PX-S3000 sounded a little better to me, though still not the same as the demos/examples.. I appreciate the continued support.

@Mike Martin Example 1: 001 then 003, Example 2: 003 then 001 I tried the file on my PS-X3000, sounded better than what i am hearing when playing myself (regardless of how i play - soft or hard), though i wouldnt call it identical, the recordings you posted still have a much better tone than i am getting on my instrument, the recordings sound more lush and detailed, whereas what i am hearing on my PX-S3000 sounds flat and dull. I also want to note that i concur with what user fcw3 said about the actual demo song on the PX-S3000 sounding better than when actually playing - i know this shouldn't be the case as supposedly the demo plays back the song using the inbuilt samples... not sure why this is happening. Is it possible there could be a fault in which something either is being enabled or isn't being enabled that shouldn't or should be when the user plays vs when a demo is played back...? @kybdsammer I connect my headphones direct to the source - computer and/or smartphone etc...

@Mike Martin I have tried 2 different headphones: Sennheiser HD 555 & HD 650, and also some IEMs: Blon BL-03. They are connected directly to the computer (and also smartphone and tablet - all sound the same). Correct - not 2 side by side, only comparing my unit to the one i am hearing on the youtube demos.

@Mike Martin I am not saying that the presets have changed over time, what i am suggesting is that there is the possibility that there may be a fault with some units. I dont use the line-out output, i am listening to the demos via the headphone jack using the same headphones and i am not hearing the same tonal quality , so i was wondering if recording direct from the line-out is giving a different/better/clearer tone than using the speakers and headphones. When i say that i am comparing 2 PX-S3000s, i am referring to my unit vs those in the demos and i am listening to them the same way via the same headphones and not hearing the same thing, the sound from the ones in the demos sounds much cleaner/clearer/more alive/crisp, with a better quality tone, and less dull sound compared to mine. I have had 2 different PX-S3000 units now and neither of them sounded as good as the demos, particularly the piano which is what i was interested in. In fact it was after hearing this piano tone from the demos that convinced me to make my purchase as the tone i was hearing sounded very good indeed, so when i finally was able to get one and found that this really good piano sound i heard from the demos was absent from my unit/s; gone was the impressive tone i was hearing from the demos (again using the same headphones, with no audio enhancements enabled on my computer that could alter the sound, i also listened to the demos on different devices, all sounded good/the same), replaced by a somewhat dull/flat sound, lacking in the clarity i was hearing from the demos. I wish none of this was true and it was just a serious case of user error, but i am very familiar with keyboards and their various settings and related effects on sound, and nothing i have tried has fixed the issue for me. I am not angry, and hopefully i dont come across that way, i am just disappointed that the sound i bought the instrument for is just not what i am hearing/getting. I am open to other suggestions.

@Dmoss3 Thank you for the suggestion, unfortunately i have tried altering the touch response function, and while using a lighter setting such as 'Light 2' does help with the volume and makes the piano sound louder with more punch/attack, it doesnt solve the issue i am with the overall tone being inherently dull sounding - it also reduces the dynamic range making it harder to play softly. I am glad to hear that it helped with your situation though. Happy playing

@Mike Martin I appreciate that there 'should not' be any difference in sound, but to state flat out that there is absolutely NO difference in sound between ANY PX-S3000 when you cannot possibly Know that with any degree on certainly without personally hearing them all is (and im not being funny, nor do i mean any offense) a bit arrogant. What if there is a fault with some of the units, which has been suggestion/implied? Not that it was your intent, but i find this just a little insulting. So it CANNOT be the instrument and therefore anyone who hears a difference MUST be causing it themselves? The bottom line is that no matter how soft or hard i play i just cannot get my particular unit to match the tonal quality of that of the demos on youtube. I have tried every touch sensitivity value, and apart from making the piano louder with more attack i cannot reproduce the tone of that of the demos. Im sure this instrument has great dynamic range, but looking values on a computer does not tell you how an instrument actually sounds. I have a question: were the demos recorded via line-out? If so, does the line-out output sound different than that of both the internal speakers and headphone jacks? If so... then maybe this is the issue(?). @Jokeyman123 I agree, but in this case, I at least, am not comparing the tone from my PX-S3000 to that of an acoustic piano and noticing a difference, i am comparing 2 PX-S3000s and to my ears they do not sound identical. The demos have much more clarity and sound 'alive', whereas the tone on my unit sounds flat and dull by comparison, almost as if the sound is being compressed with the tonal range of each note being limited somehow, an example would be like if you were to listen to music under water - not quite as dramatic as that but similar if you know what i mean.

@fcw3 Thanks for the confirmation. @Brad Saucier I have had many keyboards (Casio, Technics, Yamaha etc...) and a couple of digital pianos (2 Yamahas - DGX630 and P515), I have also had experience playing acoustic pianos, so its not that I am just not used to playing, ive been playing since i was about 8 years old, though not professionally - more of a hobby. Its not that I am not pressing the keys hard enough, ive watched Youtube demos with people playing obviously very lightly and even then the sound from the demos is just much more alive, by comparison mine sounds somewhat dead, very little life in the sound. Its just an overall higher tonal quality on the demos and does sound very good in comparison to an acoustic, very lively but without being too bright or too mellow, its a nice rounded sound. Whereas my unit is the complete opposite really, sounding very dull/muddy.

@Mike Martin Given the difference in sound i am hearing between the official Youtube demos and the 2 units i have had and using the same headphones, i would say that there is quite a noticeable difference, primarily the grand piano 001 (and also 003), which on the 2 units i have had sound dull and lacking in the 'sparkle' and clarity that the examples presented on the demos have. With regards to any 'fake' or counterfeit units, i was responding to the comment by Jokeyman123. Not saying there is a conspiracy So about the different firmware versions, is Casio aware of these different versions and the reasons for them, or is it at the discretion of the place that is manufacturing them to change it when necessary? I am just not sure why these different version would be being put out so quickly (relatively speaking), would there be changes in manufacturing or language that happen so often and quickly - i am not trying to suggest there is anything going on, just curious is all. @Gartro I too find 001 not bright enough, being far too close to 003 to not really make much of an audible difference. Hadnt considered mixing 2 pianos, i have dont this in the past with other keyboards and the result was giving a strange tone, especially noticeable when hitting the same note consecutively. I have tried altering the EQ for 001 with limited success, in order to get a result i would be more happy with i was need a wider EQ range than the 3 band provided. I am almost sure that i read someone say something about the unit having a much larger EQ but that this is not accessible by the user. Mine is also the PX-S3000, but really i dont think that we should resort to altering things, though i suppose everyones tone preference may be different... Just out of curiosity, how to you think the main piano tone 001 sounds on your unit compared with the official video demos on youtube, do they sound the same or is your unit more dull/lacking in clarity in comparison?

So are you saying that certain 'Casio' products like the PX-S3000 may be fake? Seems a stretch, but i guess not completely impossible, though not sure that would completely explain the at least 4 different firmware versions... But yeh, i hope that Casio do look into this and can provide some sort of explanation. I personally dont buy the response from Casio that user Kybdsammer posted, especially the part about hardware changes, why would the hardware be changed if there was nothing wrong with it to begin with, and if said hardware was changed then why change it if (as according to the reply from Casio) it is "not providing any noticeable difference in performance or functionality."? If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Something is definitely not adding up. Hopefully we get a response soon.

@Jokeyman123 I bought mine in the UK I have had 2 PX-S3000's, the second being a replacement as i was not hearing the same sound/tones generation that i was hearing from the official and other video demos, instead sounding very dull/muddy and nothing like the demos - the replacement was not much of an improvement tbh... The first one was firmware version 0103, the replacement (approx 1-2 weeks later) was version 0104, both from the same supplier (MusicRoom.com). I thought it very odd that in such a short amount of time the firmware version could have had yet another update. As far as i can tell there at least 4 different firmware versions - 0101, 0102, 0103 & 0104, which is even more strange when you consider that Casio is (supposedly) not aware of ANY firmware updates, so i too think something odd is going on here, i mean how can there be so many different firmware versions while the company that makes them has no knowledge of such updates? I see 2 possibilities: Either someone really IS altering things without Casio's knowledge, although to what end i dont know, or... There is a known issue with the PX-S3000 (possibly the 1000 too (?)) and Casio is attempting to cover it up/ fix it with secretive firmware updates. If Casio were to come out and admit to there being an issue then that would have a negative impact on sales... But perhaps what they have failed to realise is that eventually (like now) people will catch on and discover all the different firmware versions being so quickly put out and thus realise something must be going on, or perhaps they had thought about this and came to the conclusion that the general public would most likely remain unaware thus keeping losses to an absolute minimum. Or perhaps i am over thinking this ( i have a tendency to do that).