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BTW. I use MIDIOX for my MIDI activity program. When I select a patch from the face of the PX-S3000 it shows a very typical data stream for program changes. Selecting a registration from the keyboard, it too shows the data stream, but now with all the DSP settings and other sysex. When I record a program change into sonar, my DAW, again it shows typical patch change data, but playing it back, the 3000 ignores it. It's amazing this has not been addressed Before I send this unit back, is there any hope on the horizon? Thanks, Tom

I'm also finding this lack of DAW to 3000 MIDI program changing a big disappointment. In the heat of a gig, as cool as the touch controls look, they are way too easy to bugger up. Especially when I've had to build registrations in order to get real time control (via the knobs being assigned via DSP) like rotary FX for the organs. Now I have to use the function feature to scroll down to "REG" and then hit the second button (Stored registration 1/1) to call up a commonly used organ in my sets. Then before I go back to the other sounds, I have to make sure "Function" is back in "Tone" mode. I could make all my commonly used sounds registrations, then I would have to use the Function select, but now we're back to MIDI issues and registration naming. I've been gigging with MIDI since 1988 with the Yamaha QX-1 (still a marvelous piece of gear) and had 3 keyboards stacked in front of me. As soon as a song started, I could instantly see the keyboards change. Along with having to mix from stage, emcee the band, play keyboard or horn and sing, not having to select patches was a godsend. Moving to the PX-5S, I lose the speakers which was a nice touch on the 3000. I'm guessing the Roland RD-88 is the next choice, but I also lose the great gig bag for the Casio. Grrrr Tom

True on everything. This actually might be the draw back to the touch buttons as opposed to mechanical buttons. Very sensitive in a fast paced live performance situation. I've been living in my studio / vst environment too long. The band has been on hiatus for several years, long enough to throw me into the abyss of the tech gap. Tom

Thanks Jokeyman123, I guess the really frustrating aspect of this whole thing is the fact that a major player in the affordable keyboard industry has made a really great keyboard, spent gobs of time on the texture of the keys, the action, the compactness of the unit, and then leave out the most basic function of most organ / B3 patches. The rotary feature. It doesn't even need to be the best, but it should be instantly available in a performance environment. It should be baked into the patch. The fact that those two knobs are globally Cutoff Freq and Resonance on every patch is bizarre. On most patches, they are the most useless parameters to have live control over. Analog type pads and leads, those are very useful. The rest...not so much I just sold my "stage" keyboard, an old Roland JV-1000, which was one of the first "workstations" made in the 90's. The onboard sounds where just too "clacky" for aggressive piano / el piano / organ performance, so I'd MIDI it up to a Proteus 2000 module for better sounds. The issue with that rig was the bank / patch set ups would not talk to each other. I had to use a very clunky way to bring up the 8-10 sounds I'd use on stage. BUT, the organ sounds on both the Roland and the Pro-2000 all used the MOD wheel for Leslie spin up and the JV had a slider that duplicated the feature. I guess to gain that type of function and customization, I'll need to jump up up to the Nords ($$$$) or Yamaha's ($$$$), but keep in mind, these Casios are described as a stage piano. Thanks. I'll try to get to someone on phone to actually walk me thru the set up of a registration. The pages in the manual that address the functions of registration, DSP, etc, all stop short of several instructions. Can I rename a registration "Bank". How do you save a registration so it is non-destructible? It seems to me, once I reboot power, the registrations are reset, but that's me not having gotten that far yet. As always, R&D at most manufacturers find it necessary to come up with their own terminology to say they did. Registrations are organised in "Banks" (that's OK) but then sub-banks called "Areas" pfff Stay healthy, Tom

Well, I won't bother you anymore tonight. I really do appreciate your help. Because this was a NAMM show Demo, I'm wondering if somehow it got messed with and needs a full factory reset. Every single tone selection, the top knob controls "Cutoff Freq" and the bottom knob controls "Resonance". In most tones, you cannot hear any difference in Resonance and just a dulling of sound with the Cutoff Freq as expected. That's almost useless for 95% of the sounds except analog filter sounds, etc. I would think each tone would assign those knobs to more vital features based on the tone selected like filter sweeps, saw to tooth wave mixing, ADSR on string or bass tones, etc You know how visitors at tradeshow booths love to just push buttons and walk away. Who knows Again, Thanks Tom Frazee. Former Full Time Faculty at Berklee College of Music / Professional Writing Department

So, I could be playing an acoustic grand from the patch select with the function on "Tone", then switch to Electric piano via the Tone button, then instead of Organ "tone" from the next "tone button, I'd hit the function button 3 times so the right hand display is on "Bank" and then use the "-" or "+" buttons to scroll thru the registrations until I get to the one that has this edited set up for the organ with rotary. That sound correct? 3 things: Seeing this would more than likely be the only "Registration" I would have, I could write it to Registration Bank :01 so it's at least the first Registration that would appear? Can I rename the Bank to say something like Bank 1: B3 w/Rotary Is that non-destructive so it stays saved even after power down?

Well, I've beaten around what you have posted, and I guess what I've come away with that if I want a standard patch like the Organ 001 JS Organ to have the knobs control the rotary effect, then I build this custom registration, store it, then from this point on instead of selecting the ORGAN patch from the TONE bank, I would need to scroll down to to the REG function, select a bank, then use the "-", "+" buttons to call up a registration that is the 001 JS Organ with the stored "snapshot" (as you called it) to get that organ tone WITH the custom knob functions? If so, this is one of the most illogical workflows I've seen in years (40 to be precise) and worthy of sending this unit back to Sweetwater. Too bad, I was liking it. Thank you for helping out and trying to get me thru the process. I've been around everything technical in music since the early 80's and this is not logical for my needs. Tom

Got ya! Thanks for the time. I'll go back to this tonight. Thanks, Tom

Thanks a lot for your help. I just want to assign knob 1 to Rotary and store it to the patch so when I go from Piano to Organ, that knob controls rotary. I can edit it and get the effect I want on that one patch, but as soon as I change to a different patch and then return, OR power down / power up, the knobs on that organ are back to Cutoff Freq and Resonance. I guess I'm going to have to clunk down another $300+ for a Leslie foot stomp. Other than that, the keyboard is nice. Between it's size and our Bose LI Model 2 with dual subs plus a few other things, we can get to the gig in our Hyundai. Beats the old 16' ex uHaul. Tom

Bear with me here. Is a registration patch specific or global? How does that patch 001 JS Organ know to use the registration that the changes were made to? It's this connection that's eluding me. Tom PS. I hope terminology isn't confusing the issue. I call an instrument (maybe referred here as a tone) a patch

Thanks for the quick reply but... So on this organ patch 001 JS Organ, the patch came with the top knob controlling "Cutoff Freq" and the bottom controlling "Resonance" both pretty much way down the useful list for a performance organ patch. Here's what I'm doing Call up patch Function down to "Ctrl" Tap on DSP + up to 016 Rotary When I play the sound and turn the top knob, I get control over the Leslie effect. It's decent for stage So effectively I've adjusted the knob assignment for that patch. How I get it to save to the patch for recall every time I use that patch is stopping me cold. I would think, it could be saved by overwriting the patch. If every time I want to switch to that organ during a live performance, I end up having to go into different functions to regain that knob assignment...it's beyond useless and far from industry standards. Thanks for your help, Tom

My new 3000 came with the handful of fold out map type manuals. Not fun. I got the online manual but page 84 was not direct information. The part of the process that is getting me is once I have assigned the knobs under an organ patch (ie 001 JS Organ) to the DSP called Rotary 016 Rotary, it has a decent spin up / spin down of a Leslie sim. It's the process of storing it to the patch that has not been connected in the manuals. Can it be stored to the patch directly or does it need to be stored to a Registration? If so, how do you save the registration to the patch? The only real Registration information I find is on pg EN-40 of this manual: https://support.casio.com/storage/en/manual/pdf/EN/008/PXS3000_usersguide_B_EN.pdf. It would have been so easy for at least the 3000 to have a single "assignable to critical function" button on the front panel. Certainly at the $850 price point. The 1000 does not have any rotary sim (according to Casio) that's why I upgraded to the 3000