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One thought that came to my mind, especially reading about folks like @Chandler Hollowayworking with a whole library of rhythms, is that that it would be very handy to have a command line version of this program to enable writing batch scripts. So basically pass in arguments for infile and outfile and maybe an optional rename parameter (for example, "Restyle -i 8beat.ac7 -r New8beat -o 8beatunlocked.ac7"), and it saves the same rhythm, with a new name and unlocked parts. I don't know that swapping the patterns around makes as much sense in a command line, but for extra points I guess you could consider a parameter something of the form "-s V1=V2;F1=F2" to define the desired transformations, although I would make that secondary to getting out a version that just does the unlocking. If you have a large number of rhythm files, this would make it a lot less tedious. Edit: You'd probably also need a directory parameter ("-d c:\casiofiles") to specify the folder where the AC7 files reside. This presumes the output file would go in the same folder. Or you could just require the full path and filename on both the input and output parameters.

@Brad Saucier, not sure if you are following that other thread that you directed me to (probably), but shiihs has released an updated binary of ReStyle which includes the "unlocking" function to make "Fixed" tracks editable, and also made some corrections to the track ordering so that the patterns in 4-variation rhythms can be reorganized correctly.

I confirm that the new binary is correctly moving patterns around amongst the 4 variations (and Intro/End), and also that any "Fixed" parts now show as "Recorded" and editable. Just having the ability to rename, reorganize, and edit standard rhythms makes this an extremely useful utility - thanks so much!

@shiihs, based on the result of the experimentation I described in my earlier post, I was able to figure out how to "remap" the patterns as they are defined in ReStyle to the ones in the above list, so that I could correctly move all the patterns into the desired "slots". I can confirm that by doing so, I was able to generate a 4-variation rhythm with all the right patterns in the right places, and therefore can also confirm that the above list is the correct order.

@shiihs, I'm not exactly sure if this is what you were looking for, but I got on my CT-X5000 and created a user rhythm with patterns that I could easily tell apart, and tried moving them around with ReStyle to see what would happen. Basically, I create a 4-measure V1 with one bass drum beat, V2 with 2 beats, and so on. Likewise I created 1-measure Fill Ins, where F1 had one hand clap, F2 had 2, and so on. The intro was just 4 triangle beats, and the ending was 4 descending drum beats. Then I loaded that rhythm onto a USB and used ReStyle to move the parts around. I just swapped Intro and Ending, and moved V2/F2 into V1/F1, shifting them all down and replacing V4/F4 with V1/F1. I didn't touch Intro 2/Ending 2. Here's what I found: Note: Sorry, made a mistake the first time around, corrected the results Intro and Ending were swapped as expected V1/F1 <-- V2/F2, as expected V2 <-- V4 ? F2 <-- F3 V3 <-- Still V3 !! F3 <-- F4 V4 <-- no instrument sound ? F4 <-- F1 So clearly something seems to be off in the pattern order in the AC7. I'll post both the original and "swapped" versions of the rhythms, in case it helps. Update: After puzzling this through, I think the results imply that the following is the correct order for the patterns in the AC7 file(in fact, this order even makes more sense). So both of the above orders have slight errors - or at least, for CT-X they do (not sure if this varies with other models). 1: Intro 1 2: Var 1 3: Var 2 4: Fill 1 5: Fill 2 6: End 1 7: Intro 2 8: Var 3 9: Var 4 10: Fill 3 11: Fill 4 12: End 2 Test .AC7 Testswp2.ac7

Thank you very much for looking into this. It wasn't so much that I needed this particular rhythm "unlocked", as I was just trying to see if ReStyle would do what I want, and it didn't seem to be working. If you get a chance to release an updated binary, that would be excellent!! Also, I'll be sure to take a look at ac7maker - being able to start from a midi file would be great! I already know of 2 or 3 midi files from which I'd been wishing I could "extract" a rhythm, rather than recreating it from scratch. P.S. I can also confirm that the unlocked version of the .AC7 file that you posted does work, the previously "Fixed" parts now show up as "Recorded", and can be edited.

Thanks for the tip, and the response. I'm seeing the old and new files as being exactly the same number of bytes. This is a very simply rhythm made by copying the built-in Straight 8 Beat Pattern into Pattern V1, with some jingle bells added in the Percussion part. So I tried again, this time not only renaming the rhythm, but also moving the parts (swapping V1 and V2). The V1 pattern did get moved to V2, as expected, but the file size was again exactly the same, and the Drum part (now in V2) still shows "Fixed" when I try to edit it. I don't know if it will help, but I'll attach the original file here. Again, all the other Patterns are empty except V1. Xmas.AC7

I was directed to this thread because I was asking if there was any way to edit the "notes" in a Rhythm pattern/part copied from one of the built-in rhythms on my CT-X5000. Apparently this is not possible, because all those parts are marked as "Fixed", which I assume is what you mean by a "locked" track. The suggestion was that if ReStyle unlocks the tracks, that might make them editable (show up as "Recorded" status??). In any case, I tried it by running ReStyle (the version at the above link) on a User style that I copied from a built-in style (saved it to USB, opened in ReStyle on PC, renamed, saved it with a different file name, then reloaded from USB), and the parts still showed up as "Fixed" (and therefore, uneditable). Do I understand this correctly, or does "unlocked" mean something else? Should ReStyle have made the parts in the saved AC7 file editable? Could it be that the AC7 format for the CT-X keyboards is different? Thanks.

I'm referring to the diagram on EN-76 which clearly illustrates starting from "Fixed" rhythm parts, copying them to another (User) rhythm, where they become a "Copy" and then can be edited, saying "You can add notes and delete unwanted notes...." See attached image.

@Brad Saucier, thanks for the pointer. I did read through a lot of the discussion, and apparently what I've "discovered" is true, that the built-in rhythms are in fact "locked" against note editing, even when copied. I had seen references to the ReStyle program, and it does sound useful, so I'll have to give that a look and see if that works. And probably also change my thinking by searching for more simple, basic rhythms to start from as a base, and "building up" from there. Again, thanks. And that diagram in the manual? Not accurate!!!!

Just a quick update, writing it to USB and then loading back into another User Rhythm doesn't make any difference, either. The Parts copied from a built-in Rhythm are still "Fixed" and non-editable.

I am trying to experiment with Rhythm Editing on my CT-X5000, and have hit a roadblock that I hope someone can help me with. In the manual on page EN-76, there is an illustration (bottom in the right column) that essentially says an Accompaniment Pattern can be copied from another Rhythm into the User Area (one of the User Rhythm slots, 294-343) and then edited, including the ability to "add and delete unwanted notes in real time". But the snag that I'm running into is this - I'm able to copy a Pattern just fine, but when I try to edit it, it always says "Fixed" and will not let me into Edit mode. I should point out that this is the case when I copy from one of the built-in rhythms. If I copy a Pattern from a User Rhythm that I created myself, it does instead show "Recorded", and lets me edit it. But even if I copy from a built-in rhythm to a User rhythm, then copy that User rhythm to another User rhythm, that Part still shows as "Fixed". I do realize that I can create additional drum and/or accompaniment notes in that Pattern, by adding them to another Part (percussion, chords), as long as that part is empty. And of course, I can choose to copy only specific Parts, leaving other Parts empty and editable. So, despite the implication in the manual, is it the case that you cannot edit (notewise) any Part (percussion/drum/bass/chords) that was originally sourced from a built-in accompaniment rhythm? There's no way to make an "editable" copy? The only option is to use them "as is", and add things "on top" of them in other Parts? As I finish writing this, it occurs to me that I haven't tried copying into a User Rhythm, saving that User Rhythm to USB, and then reloading it. I'm not sure if that would make any difference?

You might want to try the "Trill" arpeggio (# 052). Unlike most (all?) of the other arpeggios, it actually does a very fast, repeated picking that doesn't seem to vary with the tempo speed.

Based on the document created by @Soundioxide (thanks!) as a reference for creating and editing User Phrases (see this link), I decided it would be handy to have a similar reference for creating User Rhythms. It obviously doesn't take the place of the manual (you need to understand the basic components and concepts), but I think it provides a nice summary of the workflow and options along the way. I tried to keep it to one page, so apologies to those (including me) who have trouble seeing small print. Fortunately, if viewing online, you can "zoom" in! I didn't get into every option (for example, I didn't include procedures for copying all or parts of other rhythms), but stuck mostly to the basic creation process. I thought it was worth sharing, and hopefully you will find it useful. Any corrections or suggestions are welcome. Casio CT-X5000 Rhythm Editing.pdf

@Brad Saucier, I don't have a pedal to test this (yet), but I do understand that a pedal only cycles you through the 8 registrations in the currently selected bank. But if you press the Bank button to advance to the next bank (without stopping play), I would assume that the pedal would then continue to cycle through the registrations in that next bank? I mean, that does work, right? Not exactly random access, but still a fairly workable solution, should you need more than 8 registrations in a song?

Thanks, Chandler. I'm not even sure how much "tweaking" I will do with User Tones, but maybe I'm just the kind of person who has a bug about missing details, and making sure I know how things work. I realized another useful aspect of this document is being able to quickly reference which of the standard User Tones even have a DSP (if it's not in the list, it doesn't), and to see (hear?) how the designers used DSP Modules to create specific Tone characteristics. I do still have some questions about the fact that there are things like Vibrato, Reverb, Chorus, and Delay in both the standard Tone Edit Item list, as well as in DSP Modules - so is it a good idea to only use one or the other? And where do the Tone Edit Items fit in the "sequence chain" of effects (that is, are they applied before, or after, the DSP effects)? I would guess before. On the other hand, I shouldn't let details get in the way of having fun playing! 🙂

If anyone has downloaded this file yet, I made a small update to put alternating shading on the rows to make it easier to read.

Tedious, but it didn't take too long. Thanks for coming up with a better title. 🙂

It took me a little while to figure out how this works, but essentially one of the "Items" you can configure when creating a new User Tone on the CT-X5000 is a DSP setup. But you can't create them from scratch, you have to "copy" one that is already built into the system, and you can edit its internal parameters from there (maybe that's a feature available on Workstations?). You can copy a DSP either from one of the built-in Tones (not all of them have a DSP, though), or from a set of 100 DSP "standard" setups (not associated with any Tone) that are outlined in the Appendix document. But as you are trying to select a DSP to use, it's not always easy to tell what you're getting. So just to have all the information in one place as a handy reference, I created this document that shows all of the possible DSPs you can copy into a new User Tone, and which DSP sub-Modules (up to 4) that each contains, and in what order. For more information, see my additional notes on the last page of the document. Comments, questions, and suggestions welcome! Note: Updated PDF to include alternating shading in lines of table to make it more readable 11/30/2020 6:45PM EST Another update to make some minor formatting improvements, and to better organize and word some of the notes at the end 12/1/ 2020 5:00PM EST Casio CT-X5000 User Tone DSPs.pdf

Brad, thanks for your reply. I do realize that most of the arpeggios are timed to the tempo of the song, so they "fit" properly within a measure. The Trill arpeggio, however, does not seem to be affected by system tempo. I think it's more intended for things like simulating a mandolin or bouzouki, it's that fast. "Up 1" kind of does what I want, and I was actually able to crank up the tempo until it sounded about "right", which is at around 160 bpm. So if I wanted to just do an audio recording of an isolated steel drum part, or play it with a band (and I do both of those), then that might be a workable solution. However, if I actually wanted to play it as part of a song on the keyboard, that makes the rhythm section way too fast for most songs. My previous keyboard was a Yamaha PSR-550. It didn't have an arpeggiator, but it did offer that effect as a mode in the Harmony function (I did check the Harmony modes on the Casio, no such luck).

Just got my CT-X5000 and I'm learning my way around. I've tried searching the forums for any discussion on this, but has anyone found a good arpeggiator type for simulating the 2-tone trill of steel drums or marimbas (for example, like in Margaritaville)? The "Trill" setting seems much too rapid and frantic, some of the others (like Up1) seem too slow, and of course many of them add a lot of extra notes. I'm just looking for something that alternates between the two notes I'm pressing, with a natural-sounding speed. And while I'm asking, any other useful tips using of the arpeggiator? This is something fairly new for me.

Hi, folks. My new CT-X5000 is being delivered tomorrow (yay!), so I've been looking at the manual and trying to figure out what some things mean, including this list of modeled amps. So finding this thread has been very helpful. Based on the start you already have, I added several to get to this list. Some I'm still not sure about, so if anyone has any ideas, please feel free to comment, and I'll update the list. I've include the list here in the post, but also attached a PDF file for easy downloading and printing on one page. Update: 11/28 12AM EST, I found a couple more. List and PDF updated Update: 11/28 6PM EST. Found a few more. List and PDF updated. Still not sure about 18, and no idea for 66 & 67. Any suggestions? Update: 2/10/21, See the newest printable version later in this thread 1 - V1 - FD-PRNST = Fender Princeton Stereo (Guitar) 2 - V1 - FD-TWRV1 = Fender Twin Reverb 1 (Guitar) 3 - V1 - RL-J12 = Roland JC-120 with 12 Watts (Guitar) 4 - V1 - FD-TWD = Fender Tweed Deluxe (Guitar) 5 - V1 - FD-DXRV = Fender Deluxe Reverb (Guitar) 6 - V1 - VX-A30 = Vox AC30 (Guitar) 7 - V1 - ML-DC3 = Matchless DC-30 (Guitar) 8 - V1 - MB-MKI = Mesa Boogie Mark 1 (Guitar) 9 - V1 - MS-STK = Marshall Stack (Guitar) 10 - V1 - FD-TWRV2 = Fender Twin Reverb 2 (Guitar) 11 - V1 - SL-SLO = Soldano Super Lead Overdrive (Guitar) 12 - V1 - MB-RCTF = Mesa Boogie Rectifier (Guitar) 13 - V1 - PV-51-SK = Peavey 5150 Stack (Guitar) 14 - V1 - BASS-CMB = Bass Combo (Bass) 15 - V1 - FD-BMAN = Fender Bassman (Bass) 16 - V1 - BASS-STK = Bass Amplifier Stacks (Bass) 17 - V3 - 65-MQ = 65 Marquis (Guitar) 18 - V3 - AD-MP+CA = Ashdown... (Bass?) 19 - V2 - BC-HC30 = BadCat Hot Cat 30 (Guitar) 20 - V3 - BN-SHV = Bogner Shiva (Guitar) 21 - V3 - BN-ECS = Bogner Ecstasy (Guitar) 22 - V3 - BN-UBR = Bogner Uberschall (Guitar) 23 - V3 - CV-LG3 = Carvin Legacy 3 (Guitar) 24 - V2 - DR-MZ38 = Dr. Z Maz 38 (Guitar) 25 - V2 - DZ-V4 = Diezel VH4 (Guitar) 26 - V2 - DZ-HA = Diezel Hagen (Guitar) 27 - V4 - EG-TWK = Egnater Tweaker (Guitar) 28 - V3 - EG-VEN = Egnater Vengeance (Guitar) 29 - V2 - EN-G15 = ENGL Gigmaster 15 (Guitar) 30 - V1 - EN-INV = ENGL Invader (Guitar) 31 - V1 - EN-BM = ENGL Ritchie Blackmore (Guitar) 32 - V2 - EN-53+DI = ENGL E530+DI (Guitar) 33 - V4 - EV-51III = EVH 5150III (Guitar) 34 - V3 - FD-CHMP = Fender Champion (Guitar) 35 - V3 - FD-TWIN = Fender Twin (Guitar) 36 - V3 - FD-TWRV3 = Fender Twin Reverb 3 (Guitar) 37 - V2 - FU-OD = FUCHS Overdrive Supreme (Guitar) 38 - V2 - GB-LANC = Gibson Lancer 1960 Tweed (Guitar) 39 - V3 - HK-TM18 = Hughes & Kettner Tubemeister 18 (Guitar) 40 - V3 - HK-SBL = Hughes & Kettner Switchblade (Guitar) 41 - V2 - KH-STDT = Koch Studiotone (Guitar) 42 - V3 - KR-RV = Krank Revolution (Guitar) 43 - V4 - LY-IRST = Laney Ironheart Studio (Guitar) 44 - V3 - MB-MK3 = Mesa Boogie Mark 3 (Guitar) 45 - V3 - MB-F3+DI = Mesa Boogie F30+DI (Guitar) 46 - V1 - MB-D5 = Mesa Boogie DC-5 Dual Caliber (Guitar) 47 - V4 - MB-DRCT = Mesa Boogie Direct (Guitar) 48 - V1 - MB-TX+.5 = Mesa Boogie Lonestar (Guitar) 49 - V4 - MB-TX+DI = Mesa Boogie Lonestar+DI (Guitar) 50 - V4 - MS-VS80 = Marshall Valvestate 8080 (Guitar) 51 - V4 - MS-J800 = Marshall JCM 800 (Guitar) 52 - V2 - MS-J2401 = Marshall JCM 2000 DSL 401 (Guitar) 53 - V3 - MS-J2000 = Marshall JCM 2000 (Guitar) 54 - V2 - MS-J2+MB = Marshall JCM 2000+? 55 - V3 - MS-PLX = Marshall 1959SLP ‘Plexi” (Guitar) 56 - V2 - MS-J1+DI = Marshal JVM1+DI (Guitar) 57 - V4 - MT-CFT = Matchless Chieftain (Guitar) 58 - V4 - OR-O15 = Orange OR15 (Guitar) 59 - V2 - PN-P7 = Pignose Legendary 7-100 (Guitar) 60 - V3 - PR-SE3 = PRS SE30 (Guitar) 61 - V4 - PV-51II = Peavey 5150 II (Guitar) 62 - V4 - PV-65MH = Peavey 6505 Mini Head (Guitar) 63 - V3 - RA-NBK = Randall NB King (Guitar) 64 - V2 - RL-J20 = Roland JC-20 (Guitar) 65 - V2 - RL-J120 = Roland JC-120 (Guitar) 66 - V2 - RV-30 = 67 - V4 - SA-PS1 = 68 - V2 - SL-X8 = Soldano X88 (Guitar) 69 - V2 - SL-X9 = Soldano X99 (Guitar) 70 - V3 - SP-1624 = Supro 1624 (Guitar) 71 - V3 - SP-1695 = Supro 1695 (Guitar) 72 - V3 - SU-BGR3 = SUHR Badger 35 (Guitar) 73 - V2 - VH-SP6 = VHT Special 6 (Guitar) 74 - V3 - VX-A15 = Vox AC15 (Guitar) 75 - V2 - VX-15TB = Vox AC15TB (Guitar) 76 - V3 - VX-A30 = Vox AC30 (Guitar) 77 - V3 - VX-A30TB = Vox AC30TB (Guitar) 78 - V4 - YM-DG8 = Yamaha DG80 (Guitar) 79 - V2 - AC-360 = Acoustic Control 360 (Guitar) 80 - V2 - AP-SV4DI = Ampeg SVT-4 Pro+DI (Bass) 81 - V2 - EB-C450 = EBS Classic 450 (Bass) 82 - V2 - FD-BMNtw = Fender Bassman Tweed (Bass) 83 - V2 - FD-BMNsv = Fender Bassman Silverface (Bass) 84 - V2 - FD-BMNbk = Fender Bassman Blackface (Bass) 85 - V2 - FD-STBAS = Fender Studio Bass (Bass) 86 - V3 - GK-150 = Gallien-Krueger MB 150 (Bass) 87 - V3 - MK-T501 = Markbass TA501 (Bass) 88 - V3 - SW-PB20 = SWR PB-200 (Bass) 89 - V3 - SW-SM50 = SWR SM-500 (Bass) 90 - V1 - RL-CBKB = Roland Cube for Keyboard (Keyboard) 91 - V1 - LY-3C-AC = Laney 30C Acoustic (Guitar) 92 - V4 - AC-SIM = Acoustic Simulation?