Maddog

Hi everyone, I managed to get it working. I can now play the sequence on the other synth and have the sound go into the CT-S1000v through the Audio in / Line in and be able to play sounds from the CT-S1000v whilst the sequence is playing. How I achieved this is by re-reading what Brad had mentioned about switching off the midi and Bingo it worked. I set the Tx to Off and that did it. This is great, I can also now turn the volume off and switch on the Tx on the other synth and have the sequencer sound play using the CT-S1000v, if I want to. There is one thing I don't fully understand and that is why on the CT-S1000v it only plays the sequence using the Piano, possibly program 1, I can't tell or possibly a GM Piano. Strange thing is if I set the Tx on the other synth to be midi channel 10, then I get drum sounds from the CT-S1000v?. Can anyone give me a clue why this might be happening?. Changing the program makes no difference, I only get a Piano sound playing the sequence. thanks for the help, I'm getting there slowly.

Hi everyone, I just want to say that the sample recording works very well. I managed to record a sound I created on an analog synth into my CT-S1000v and it worked great. I need to check to see if the DSP effects work, I think they will. When Casio brings out any future models it would be great if they could add more slots to store sample patches, rather than just having one slot. 30 or 100 would be ideal. Even if you could plug in a memory card and have it read and write directly to that, without having to import it in and out the single slot. I would really like to see some updated versions of the CZ1 & VZ1, with built in sequencer and programmable ARP and polyphonic after-touch. I like the CZ1 sounds in the CT-S1000v. thanks.

Hi Brad, Thanks for the reply. I just wondered if there was a setting hidden somewhere. Out of interest I tried setting the volume balance and patch volume to zero to see if that would stop it, but no it still played the piano over the sequence. My other synth has a CC Off function which seemed to work for the program change, which is good. thanks.

You may be able to put a packet sniffer on the output from the mobile device and maybe figure out what is being sent and backward engineer what is being sent to the keyboard but it would be a big NO NO as most companies have stuff written into their terms to try and stop this from happening. You may end up getting yourself into a lot of trouble if you tried and a made the app publicly available. Best wait and see if Casio brings out a desktop app.

Hi Everyone, I have managed to get the CT-S1000v connected to other synths via USB. It seems to play nicely with them, with two exceptions if you play the keyboard all is fine and if LocalOff is set then nothing comes out of the casio speakers which is great. If I turn on the ARP or the Sequencer on the other synth then the casio plays along with it. Should this be happening?. I would have expected to just hear the sound from the other synth unless in LocalOn mode. I have them hooked up to the audio in/line in on the CT-S1000v so everything comes through the casio speakers. I also noticed if you change program/patch on the casio it causes the other device to program change as well, even if you change category on the casio it still seems to send a program change I guess CC message even in LocalOff mode. thanks.

Thanks for the reply. I've tried numerous ways and couldn't get it working. The WU-BT10 indicates Wireless MIDI & Audio, so a little confusing, I was expecting 2 way Audio.

Unless I'm missing something in the settings or setup it doesn't appear that the CT-S1000V transmits Audio either over USB or Bluetooth. The Bluetooth looks like it receives Audio but doesn't appear to transmit it. Yes it all works with MIDI, but at some point unless you can record the Audio, if you play everything back via MIDI then surely if you add more tracks eventually you will run out of voices. Just to head this one off before it starts, yes you can transmit Audio and Midi over the same USB cable, I have seen a Keyboard from another manufacturer doing it. I know I could connect my mobile device to an Audio interface to achieve this, but lets face it it's a bit of a pain doing so. I just recently installed Cubasis and it's more like a desktop DAW than others and this lets you record an Audio track or MIDI track. So I don't know if it's a setting or if the CT-S1000V only transmits Audio via the TS jacks, which is a bit of a shame if that is the case. Thanks for the feed back.

Do the Pedal jacks send and receive data or just receive?. That would be interesting if they could make those work for TRS-MIDI. I think you can use an iPad as the host device and connect 2 devices to it. Has anyone tried this?. I was wondering if you could connect the S1000V to the iPad over Bluetooth and then plug another USB MIDI device into the iPad cable and then be able to play the 2nd device from the S1000V's keyboard?.

Too short a video hopefully he'll do a longer version. I'm enjoying my S1000V.

I did take a look for you and the best I could come up with is the following ActiveDSP = 72:CompMod4 HOLD set Delay Fdbk Lvl = 70 ARPEGGIATOR = 51:Echo Tempo = 50 ARP selected on instrument 10:AmbientPiano Then press a key and it should repeat forever or until you press another. Hope that is what you are after. When it loops the first note is louder, though if you choose a different instrument it doesn't always seem to.

Ideally you would want separate TRS Jacks for this. Normally devices which implement TRS - MIDI have dedicated Jacks which we don't have on these Keyboards. The question that I was trying to get answered was is there away of getting the CT-S1000v to mimic a TRS - MIDI protocol using the available TS & TRS Jacks. If this is possible then maybe it could be put into a firmware update allowing better connectivity with other devices. I know from what we have learned from this thread so far that the problem seems to be the DAC now I don't know if this is a hardware or software DAC. If it is software then it would be simple enough in the firmware to just have a boolean switch which would allow it to work in both modes. The Analogue data transmitted over TRS has to be versatile enough to be able to create music. At the end of the day it's a current going over a cable. Even if the DAC is an issue, MIDI uses 0-127. I think MIDI may be 5 Volts I'm not sure, I'm guessing TRS is 5 Volts also. What I'm getting at it doesn't seem impossible logically to be able to reproduce the signal even if the DAC is in the way, unless I'm completely missing the point here. It's not the end of the world either way, there are solutions to the issue of not having MIDI ports. If the industry is trying to remove MIDI ports from devices and use Bluetooth or USB MIDI as a replacement then maybe they need to find away of allowing 2 device to communicate directly with each other without needing a host device or build hosting ability into every device.

So the Audio sent over Bluetooth is Digital as well. I wasn't sure with it using RF Radio. TRS Midi is a real thing. Korg, Roland use it. Korg use it on the Volca's, Roland S1, and others. It's a shame Casio didn't hang a couple out the back of the WU-BT10 or even just one regular 5 pin din midi port and allow it to work as either Bluetooth or straight Midi in the firmware.

O.K. that makes more sense. Thanks for the explanation. I don't suppose there is away of telling the DAC to just leave the serial data alone and not convert it?. The USB A port, must be receiving MIDI data that has not been turned from a Square wave to a Sine wave by the DAC?. If the Bluetooth is transmitting that data I guess it must still be serial data. The Bluetooth Adapter transmits MIDI but also Audio so it must be able to either root around the DAC or tell the DAC not to convert the data to analogue on that port. Maybe there is away of taking that data and feeding not to Bluetooth but to a converter using something like an RP2040 board and feeding it to either a TRS of MIDI Port. I wonder if MIDI is sent to that USB port only when you enable Bluetooth?. Maybe Casio could build a board for this USB port to convert the signal to 5 pin MIDI or TRS or both?.

So inside the keyboard the CPU has no involvement in making the sound coming from either the speakers or the Audio Out?. I understand the role of the Digital To Analogue Converter; if for instance you could record output generated via the TRS MIDI Out could it not be played back through say a speaker?. If you could record it and played it back to the TRS MIDI In, would it not be recognized as a valid MIDI signal?.

Strange, the only other thing I can think of is if you are not ejecting the usb stick from the computer and may be removing it whilst it is still writing the file and possibly corrupting the file or even not completing the write process; only remove the stick after ejecting and windows indicating that it is safe to remove it. Also check to make sure that you are placing the file into the root of the memory stick. If you have tried all this then as Brad says maybe there is an issue with the port on your Casio keyboard.

Yes but it only really uses 2. The Vcc and Data. If you take a look at the site minimidi.world. It covers Type A, B and C (TS version). I think pin 2 sounds like it may be a ground. You wouldn't need to be sending both. If you made it a configurable option in the settings, if you say enabled TRS/Midi then you could flag the code so that it only sent out Midi data over the TRS/TS(via a splitter to TRS). Remember it's a CPU connected to all the outputs and inputs controlled via the firmware, it can only do what the software tells it to do. Do you know what the "[SETTNG] < MIDI In 1-5Ch Port > C" is for in the settings?, I cannot find any reference to it either in the manual or on the web. It is switchable from 'C' to 'A'.

This is not meant to sound insulting but are you sure that the USB Memory stick is pushed in fully?. I would possibly look for a different Memory stick (different manufacturer) and then re-download the file onto that and give it another try. I have seen something similar with a TV firmware update where it would only read from certain memory sticks.

I forgot to mention that you can send Midi over TS as well as TRS. I still think this would be an ideal way of getting around the problem of a Midi Controller with no Midi ports. If you can send Audio through TRS or TS then why not Midi Signals. I think type A maybe becoming the standard these days. More and more devices are using it, Korg uses it on many of it's devices, Roland use it on some of their devices. It's an ideal solution if you think about it. Is the USB A port on the CTS500&1000 keyboards just used for 2 things Bluetooth & USB Memory sticks or can it be used for other things, like connecting directly to another USB enabled Midi device?.

Yes there are newer devices like the RP2040 which are dual core ARM based. The problem with these are most builds I have seen still need a Host, so are generally connected to your computer. I think the Doremidi USB Midi Host maybe worth looking at. I think the biggest issue I can see with these type of solutions are they have a compatability list even though USB and Midi are supposed to be standardised. These are far cheaper than the Kenton version.

That's pretty much what I thought. I know the keyboard has a pairing option but on the iPad and desktop it never seems to pair by itself, you have to select the Casio Bluetooth adapter from the device you are trying to connect with; I don't think that would be possible using the WIDI Jack on a non Bluetooth equipped device. I would think you would need 2 WIDI Bluetooth adapters in order to get a pairing. I thought I would ask the question in the hope someone has already tested this mixed combination.

Hi Brad, yes it does work fine with midi. I tried it again this morning and it worked as designed, go figure!. If you try to overwrite one of the lyrics that you have stored in memory on the keyboard, it does come back with failed; though in my case it did actually work Shame it doesn't work with Bluetooth. It all seems to be fine over Bluetooth until you try to Transfer and then the keyboard is not listed as the medium to transfer the lyric to. They seem to be small files so it probably would have worked fine over Bluetooth, shame that.

I was thinking on the same lines. It would be nice if at some point they started to use either a removable/plug out SSD or a small SD card as the storage medium. I think the new MPC One+ may use a removable micro SD, not 100% sure though.

thanks for the link I will check it out.

I get replies to questions that I ask on the forum, which is good. If somethings aren't doable then so be it.

Does the CME WIDI connect to the Casio Bluetooth adaptor shipped with the CTS1000V?.