BrettM

To my ears the Jazz Guitar handles the XW distortion well. Although it was presumably sampled from an archtop, it seems to have a Stratocaster quality when the cutoff is opened up. Distorted Mute Guitar is also great for your basic chug, especially with the mids boosted via EQ. The Rotary DSP has two overdrive parameters which sound to me pretty similar to the straight Distortion DSP; although good for combining distortion with a Leslie effect, and for distorted organs of course.

Hi Monaro, Have you checked out the faq on the the General Discussion page? This link from there may answer your question: http://www.casiomusicforums.com/index.php?/topic/4454-converting-wav-files-to-xw-g1-samples/

Only the solo synth total filter is resonant. All other filters (blocks 1 to 6, as well as the filter for the PCM tones) are non-resonant.

Thanks for continuing to post wavs for us G1 users, Patrick. As always, you make me think of how the XWs can be pushed in so many directions.

Is it possible to trigger a tone when a key is released?

I really like those Scree 1 and 2 patches from the Leads and Basses pak Mike. Riding the Scree was one of my all time synth favourites.

I can't listen to your version because I have a G1 and I've noticed from looking at your performance in the P1 editor that you are using a user drawbar tone. I also see that you're using the the 8 Beat arpeggio preset to give the pulsing sound. This sounds exactly the same as the two step arpeggio I created, so well spotted. This makes my arpeggio redundant. I didn't think of auditioning the presets. I've also realised that another way to create the filter sweep is via the Wah DSP. The Wah 1 preset is pretty close, but just a bit too fast. Slowing the LFO rate of the Wah DSP down to about 16 is better. So here's a suggestion for creating "Won't Get Fooled Again" using standard presets: full drawbar PCM tone + Wah 1 DSP + 8 Beat arepeggio. Creating a user DSP with the Wah LFO rate reduced to about 16 is pretty well spot on.

And another observation ... the data editor assumes that there are only four controllers: each of the knobs. Oops, I was looking at the controllers for performance parameter edit, not the solo synth. There are eight virtual controllers indicated for the solo synth. I wonder if there is an interaction between the knobs as the first four default controllers in solo synth and performance modes?

Nice job on the MIDI front Ted. I just new we hadn't come to the final answer on this topic yet and that more information would be forthcoming. Here's another piece of the jigsaw puzzle: assignable knobs 1 to 4 are always associated with virtual controllers 1 to 4. The knobs will always affect whatever destination is set, irrespective of the depth value. They even work when depth is zero. When in virtual controller edit mode the slider and the knob both affect the destination with the level of influence of the slider determined by the depth value.

Bigmark, I've just posted another attempt at this in the P1 download area. Do you think it will do the job?

File Name: Won't Get Fooled This Time File Submitter: Brett M File Submitted: 31 Mar 2014 File Category: XW-P1 Here is my second attempt at the "Won't Get Fooled Again" organ. It follows on from an XW-P1 discussion called "Arpeggios !" and this time I do use the arpeggiator, with only two steps, to give the basic pulse rhythm. It's based on my previous "Fooled Again" upload, so there is a solo-synth tone to create the slow filter sweep, a performance so chords can be played and now an arpeggiation as well. The arpeggiator has taken over the job of LFO2, so the low frequency clunking that was evident in the previous version as the two LFOs fought over the filter is now gone. You can tweak the total filter parameters in the solo synth to alter the sweep and change the tempo to alter the speed of the pulse. As before, this was done on a G1, so make sure a full drawbar is assigned to zone 2 of the performance to make it work on a P1. I've just updated the performance to bring the tempo closer to the actual song. Assignable knob 1 and 2 are now set to control the total filter cutoff and resonance respectively. Click here to download this file

Alen, I think I may have offended you, and if so I'm very sorry. Post #22 was not written in a sarcastic tone of voice. I sincerely acknowledge your experience and contributions vis-a-vis my own slow picking through the manual. I've learnt more from your posts on this forum than I ever would just reading the manual and I hope that will continue.

Well Alen, you've got a lot more experience than I have. I'm just a swot who reads manuals carefully. Even manuals that most people hate. Ted did spell it out well, and now that he's climbing under the hood with MIDI he may come up with some new things yet. I've got to read a MIDI manual before I'll be able to do that.

Synthesist for me too. The reason I prefer synthesizers over keyboards is because synthesizers have that long row of black and white buttons along the front. These can sometimes be very useful for certain effects, like changing the pitch of oscillators.

Alen, I think I can claim a bit more involvement than merely asking the right question. I initially noticed the sliders worked in virtual controller edit mode while trying to create a cross fader on a G1 prior to posting the question, see post #6. It wasn't just a wild card thrown out for someone to catch. This is something that has been missed in previous discussions of virtual controllers and sliders on this forum, e.g.: http://www.casiomusicforums.com/index.php?/topic/4807-how-to-use-the-virtual-control/ and http://www.casiomusicforums.com/index.php?/topic/4962-editing-solo-synth-with-sliders/ I've also pointed out some of the implications of this for G1 and P1 users, see post #15; and I still think we haven't got to the bottom of it. I don't think the answer has been found yet. Once we think we've found the answer, we stop experimenting.

Not much activity on the harmonica front lately. I've already posted my entry, but if I were trying to extend it I would try to work on the pitch bend. The pitch bend wheel is the obvious candidate, but I think it's depth would need to be reduced and maybe a slight filter close combined with the bend. In my submission, I tried to introduce a filter close via the touch sensitive keyboard, and although it animates the sound somewhat, I don't think it's realistic. I also tried to add a second harmonica note to simulate a player's breath bleeding across two holes but I set them a note apart whereas on a real harmonica I think they are often further apart. This seemed to capture some of the complex harmonics of an harmonica. I also tried to make the second note velocity sensitive so, if you played lightly you could sound a single hole, whereas if you played hard you would start hearing the other note, but I think this effect could be improved upon. I suppose I should really learn how to play harmonica.

Thanks Brad, I've noticed that there is some low frequency clunking going on as the two LFOs fight over the filter. PT may have done it with two filters in series. The LFOs can be separated on the solo synth by setting LFO2 to modulate the PCM1 amp rather than the filter, but this does not carry over to the performance. I suppose in the performance one could just set up the filter sweep and play eighth note chords.

I've just added my attempt to the P1 download area. Don't automatically reach for a hex layer for vintage sounds. They didn't have 'em in them days. Mike Martin and BradMZ have done some work on Baba O'Reilly on the PX-5S, so they may have some ideas.

File Name: Fooled Again File Submitter: Brett M File Submitted: 26 Mar 2014 File Category: XW-P1 My attempt at Fooled Again using PCM organ + LFO1 controlling the slow filter sweep and LFO2 pulsing the filter. It's tricky to keep the two LFOs in phase. This was done on a G1 so you may have to set PCM1 to an organ to get it working on a P1. I just use a full drawbar. For full polyphony there is a performance that uses the above solo synth in zone 1 and runs zone 2 through zone 1. Set zone 2 to an organ and play chords. Meet the new boss. Click here to download this file

There doesn't seem to be any way to permanently save the slider assignment so I'm tending to agree with Brad - the sliders work as sources only while in virtual controller edit mode. Back out even one step and the sliders revert to their default behaviour. This is a solo synth effect, it won't carry over to a performance . You can't access virtual controller edit mode from within a performance. You have to be in tone mode, editing the solo synth tone. The depths and destinations are saved however, so you can set these and go back to virtual controller edit mode any time you like and have your sliders working again. Ted, I tried your process and got the same results. But you don't have to have CC09 selected as the source. The sliders work while in edit mode, even when the source is set to off. Which is another reason why I think this is edit mode only behaviour. When you think about it, given the host of different uses for the sliders already, if Casio allowed the sliders to be reassigned, people would be tying their XWs up into all sorts of knots. But this is not all bad, it does mean we can have eight assignable virtual slider controllers so long as we stay in edit mode, and this opens up many interesting possibilities. G1 owners, like me, can access different oscillators without having to select them with the (2) switches (the drawbar switches on the P1). This is what led me to discover this behaviour in the first place: in solo synth mode on the P1 you can adjust oscillator levels across the oscillators so you can do a cross fade by running one slider up and the other slider down. Not so on a G1 where, although the sliders can access many more solo synth parameters, you have to work with one oscillator at a time. Now you don't. And a cross fade with +ve depth on one slider and -ve depth on the other is a much better way to do it, available on both models. Although it may seem a bit clunky, I can imagine performing in virtual edit mode, just so you can create some interesting slider effects. This behaviour may also be very useful to P1 owners. It makes a P1 more like a G1. (These synths are closely related. Just as you can coax a multiple layer mode and a drawbar organ out of a G1, you can also coax G1-like behaviour out of a P1). P1 owners can now set up the sliders to access many of the solo synth parameters (destinations), just like on a G1. I have found this extremely powerful, especially for creating envelopes. If I had a P1, I would now save a few "blank" solo synths with various envelope and other destinations set up to serve as editing areas for tweaking other tones I was working on. E.g., work out the envelope you want in one of the "blank" tones, then copy the settings across to the main tone I was interested in. There may be other useful ways to exploit this new slider behaviour. But this still does not explain the mysterious quote on page E-29.

As an aside, a silent phrase sequence that prerecords controller movement might be another way to create the cross fade I'm after, but I would be interested in getting to the bottom of the slider question.

Alen, I was hoping you especially would know the answer to this one. What I was trying to do was set up a cross fader between two blocks of the solo synth, say synth1 to pcm1, so I could have one sound seamlessly morph into another. I would normally reach for the knobs to assign volume adjustments, but playing the keyboard and trying to twiddle two knobs simultaneously is difficult. But two adjacent sliders, one with +ve depth, the other with -ve depth, with the appropriate amp volumes set as the destinations is tailor made for the job. And it works, so long as I am in block 10, i.e., VirtualCtrl>Enter. So the sliders do more than just select between virtual controllers in edit mode. But as soon as I exit back one step, the sliders revert to their default usage. This is what Ted has experienced too, I think. I've been trying this with sliders 7 and 8, with their source parameter showing as "off". So I though I must not have the right CC or whatever showing in the source, hence my question at the start of the post - how do I make a slider itself a permanent source of a virtual controller? If this is possible, it means we will have eight assignable sliders in addition to the four assignable knobs. And the cryptic statement on page E-29 suggests it might be possible.

Page E-29 of the manual says "Controllers are numbered 1 though 8, and are assigned to the (5) sliders (1/9 through 8/16)". This suggests that the sliders are related to virtual controllers in some way. But how?