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AHA ! Kevin I think I know what is going on, and if it's what I think it is, their really is no problem. You're just not seeing what you think you are: Look at the bottom of the display screen, and you will see numbers 1 thru 16. Those are 16 tone channels that the keyboard uses during a performance. Each channel has its own function or purpose. You or the keyboard can assign different tones to different channels, but the function or purpose of each channel is fixed and can not be changed. For your purposes, we are only interested in channels 1 thru 4. Channel 1 holds the tone for your main right hand playing and, is termed UPPER-1. Channel 2 holds the LAYERED tone for right hand playing, and is termed UPPER-2. Channel 3 holds the SPLIT tone for left hand playing and is termed LOWER-1. Channel 4 holds the LAYERED SPLIT tone for left hand play, and is termed LOWER-2. When you press the SYNTH button to go into TONE EDIT mode, whatever tone is showing on the screen is the tone you will be seeing/editing. If 133 FingrBs3 is showing on the screen when you press the SYNTH button, then those are the tone parameters you will see when you are in EDIT mode. Also, while in EDIT mode, the channel hash mark at the bottom of the screen will flash to indicate the currently selected channel/tone. For instance, if your press the SYNTH button and the Channel 3 hash mark is flashing, you are seeing/editing the LOWER-1 tone. In your case, that would be your 133 FingrBs3. In order to see/edit the UPPER-1 tone, in your case the 701 BrtyTSax tone, you would need to have that showing on the screen before pressing the SYNTH button. You make your selections by using the CURSOR LEFT and CURSOR RIGHT buttons BEFORE pressing the SYNTH button. You can not switch channels/tones while you are in SYNTH EDIT mode, so if you make the wrong choice, you have to back out of edit mode with the EXIT button and then make a different choice with the CURSOR buttons. The last item added to a Registration will always be the item shown on the screen when the Registration is called up. In your case, that would be the 133 FingrBs3. If you press the SYNTH button at that time, you would be looking at the FingrBs3 tone, not the 701 BrtyTSax tone, so you would see an Attack Time of 00. Call up your 1-3 Registration. If FingrBs3 is showing on the screen, and the Channel 3 hash mark is flashing at the bottom of the screen, press the CURSOR LEFT button TWICE. The 701 BrtyTSax should be showing, and the Channel 1 hash mark should be flashing. Now, press the SYNTH button, and you should see an Attack Time of 20. The SYNTH EDIT parameters are on a tone-by-tone basis. They are not global to the Registration. Registrations are not tones. They are collections of tones and keyboard set up parameters plus a rhythm pattern that the keyboard needs, or might need, for a particular performance. So each Registration would have 16 different sets of tone parameters, whether you are using only one tone or all sixteen. Even if you only assign an UPPER-1 tone to a Registration, default tones will be assigned to UPPER-2, LOWER-1, and LOWER-2, whether you use them or not. Default tones will be assigned to each of the auto-accompaniment channels and a default Rhythm will be assigned, even if you are not using auto-accompaniment. Every Registration contains everything the keyboard needs for a full performance. They do not contain just the items assigned by the user. I hope this does it for you on this one ! Regards, Ted

Hi Kevin OK ! I got your latest reply. I am glad to hear that your reverb problem went away. I have been working on it for the last couple of hours and was not able to replicate it, so I will start working on your Attack Time problem. I am going to try to set up the same Registration you have, but I need to back up my Registrations to my computer first, so that I don't lose any of them. Will be back in a few hours. Ted

Machax Are you talking about a glissando effect for the right hand melody part or as part of a left hand auto-accompaniment rhythm ? I can't think of anything like that for either at the moment, but if you can answer this question, it will give us more to go on for possibly coming up with something for you.

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Kevin You've been busy, I see. OK ! From the top: Exactly ! Registrations save multiple set up items, but User Tones save just a single tone. I suspect that you did not really save your new Breathy Sax Tone #701 into your (1 - 3) Registration, and that your (1 - 3) Registration is still calling up the original Tone #254. To check this, power on the keyboard, and without touching anything else, enter 701 on the keypad to call up your modified tone. Use the SYNTH mode to check the Attack Time. If it is 20, then you saved your new tone correctly, it just has not been incorporated into your (1 - 3) Registration properly. If it is not 20, then your edit did not get saved as a new User Tone. We need to know which, so we know which operation to correct. YES ! EQ stands for equalizer or equalization and adjusts the bass/treble mix or your sound output, but a proper EQ has at least three controls - bass-mid-treble, while a 10 band EQ has adjustments at 10 different points across the 20-20,000 Hz frequency band. Ventilator (capitalized) is the commercial name of a Leslie simulator pedal manufactured by Neo Instruments, Inc. They're a bit pricey. The latest model (Ventilator II) is selling for around $500 new: http://www.neo-instruments.de/en Ted

YES ! http://support.casio.com/pdf/008/PX410R_e.pdf

Johnathon Back in the days when the 3800 was king of the WK line, and this forum wasn't even a twinkle in Mike Martin's eyes, the old Yahoo Casio forum was all abuzz with guys who were out gigging several nights a week with their 3800's piped thru Ventilators. That is all they wanted it for. It was the number one affordable B3 emulator of the time. I had completely forgotten that, but your post above brought it back to mind. Thanks ! I used to enjoy eaves dropping on their chats about their trials and tribulations and exploits. One guy used to tote his 3800, Vent, speaker-amp, and small car battery with a DC to AC inverter on the train in to Grand Central every day to busk in the walkways during rush hour. That's how he made his living - and the 3800 helped him do it. Ted

Kevin The Registrations that you save with the STORE button are for saving global type setups such as tone selection, rhythm selection, tone volume, accompaniment volume, octave offset, etc, but once you go inside a Tone and start adjusting its tonal parameters, such as attack time, release time, etc, you can not save those edits directly to a Registration with the STORE button, as you have already discovered. You have to save that edited Tone as a User Tone, which is an entirely different process to an entirely separate section of memory than a Registration. Saving an edited Tone to a User Tone is the process I described in my previous reply. Printed above the display on the WK-3800 is the Tone List. Look at the far right end of that list, and you will see that Tones 700 through 799 are for User Tones. That is the area of memory that I am talking about. You have 100 memory slots for storing your own self-created or modified tones, and you call them up with the keypad the same way you do a preset Tone. So lets go over saving your modified Breathy Sax to a User Tone again: Select your Number 254 Breathy Sax and use the SYNTH mode to edit the attack time, just as you have been. When you have increased the Attack Time to 20, you are ready to "save" it. So - - Press the CURSOR DOWN button TWICE. The display will show User Tone 700 flashing, followed by the Breathy Sax tone name. Press the plus ( + ) button on the keypad ONCE to increase the memory slot from 700 to 701. Press the CURSOR DOWN button ONCE, and the display will show Replace ? (It is asking you if you want to replace whatever is currently stored in 701 with your newly edited Breathy Sax.) Press the plus (YES) button on the keypad, and the display will show Complete. Your modified Breathy Sax is now stored in User Tone location 701. You can call it up by entering 701 on the keypad, or you can now STORE it as part of a Registration and bring it up along with other settings. I chose location 701, because Casio has a really nice Salon Piano stored in 700 and a half way decent Brite Piano stored in 702, but a really crummy tinny sounding Modern Piano stored in 701 that you just overwrote with your modified Breathy Sax. If, at some point in the future, you want to re-modify it to an attack time of say 25, use this same procedure and save it back to 701, and any Registrations that had the modified Breathy Sax will now call up your re-modified breathy sax, or you can save the remodified Breathy Sax to a different location and call up one or the other with different Registrations. I think this may increase your performance flexibility considerably. If you should happen to really get into this, I suggest grouping your User Tones together by instrument, just like the Presets are - keep the pianos together, the EP's together, the basses together, etc, etc etc. It's a lot easier on the memory that way - uhh - that's YOUR memory - not the keyboard's. Ted

sslyutov Sorry for taking an over-simplified view of your original problem description. If this is a design bug that affects the entire model line, I think we would have seen other reports by this time. You may have a fault or defect with your particular unit. While you are waiting for a response here, you may want to try a factory reset per the section in the manual titled Returning the Digital Piano to Its Factory Default Settings. In the English manual, that is on Page EN-6. If a factory reset does not correct your problem, and you do not receive any confirming responses here, you should contact Casio Support for further advice/instruction. If your unit is still under some type of return policy, you don't want to lose too much time deciding on an action to take. Good luck on getting this resolved soon ! Regards, Ted

Some rhythms, but I don't think anywhere near 50% of them, are designed to give you a 2 or 4 beat "break" instead of a fill.

OMB I am truly surprised, and I was 100% wrong. I had assumed that you would probably like most, or all, of the Krome's sounds better than either the WK-3800's or the WK-7600's, and that if there was anything about the Krome that you did not like, it would be the fact that it is not an arranger with full accompaniment - and you didn't even mention anything about that. So, you have come "home", in a sense, and once again, we have several items to discuss. First, regarding drum fills, the drum fills on the WK-7600 are built into the rhythm pattern (NORMAL/VARIATION) buttons, which operate pretty much the same as the VARIATION/FILL-IN buttons on the WK-3800. If the NORMAL pattern is playing, and you press the NORMAL button, you get a fill, and the rhythm resumes with the NORMAL pattern. If the VARIATION pattern is playing and you press the VARIATION button, you get a different fill, and the rhythm resumes with the VARIATION pattern. If the NORMAL pattern is playing and you press the VARIATION button, the rhythm changes to the VARIATION pattern with no fill, but if you press the NORMAL button to get a fill and then the VARIATION button at the end of that fill, you get a fill and the pattern changes to VARIATION. It works the same when switching from VARIATION to NORMAL - press the VARIATION button to get a fill, then press the NORMAL button at the end of that fill. I agree, this part is simpler with the FILL-IN/NEXT button on the WK-3800. I just needed to let you know there is a way around it, it just requires an extra well-timed button press. Second, the carry-over string vibrations on the piano tones on either the WK-3800 or the WK-7600 can be simulated by increasing the "release" times a bit, but not so much that it sounds like the sustain pedal is being pressed. You can even add a little reverb, if you like (unless reverb is already being applied to simulate a large hall), to emulate sound board resonance, and then save the result as a User Tone. Third, saving User Tones on the WK-3800. Yes ! It is possible. I currently have your Number 254 Breathy Sax with an extended attack time of 20 saved in User Tone slot 798 on my WK-3800. Select your Number 254 Breathy Sax and use the SYNTH mode to edit the attack time, just as you have been. When you are finished, press the CURSOR DOWN button TWICE. The display will show User Tone 700 flashing, followed by the Breathy Sax tone name. Use the plus/minus ( + / - ) buttons on the keypad to select the User Tone location where you want to store it, then press the CURSOR DOWN button again (ONCE only this time), and the display will show Replace ?. Press the plus (YES) button on the keypad, and the display will show Complete. You have to use caution when selecting locations for storing new User Tones, so that you do not overwrite something that you want to keep. Once you get to this stage of the process, the display will continue to show the preset name (or new name, if you renamed it) of the tone that you just edited as you scroll through the User Tone location numbers. It will not show the name of what is already stored in any User Tone location. So you have to check your intended User Tone location ahead of time in order to know if it is safe to store a new User Tone there. Go see if you can borrow that WK-7600 again for a few more days, and in the meantime, keep enjoying that WK-3800. Good luck ! Regards, Ted

Sorry, Adrian The metronome in the WK-1630 only operates when the Song Sequencer is active during song recording and/or playback. It is not a "piano practice" type of metronome - a bit of an oversight on Casio's part. My WK-3800 has several rhythm patterns that more or less take the place of a metronome. Check the rhythm list on your WK-1630 to see if it has something similar.

Mimm As long as the mixer screen is up on the display, you can use the sliders as realtime volume controls. See Page E-38 in the manual for the particulars. This should make things more like a "real" hardware mixer, but personally, I have never had much luck with it for any length of time. I set it up to control the mix volumes, as you want to do, but somewhere, somehow, something takes it out of volume mode and puts it back into tone select mode without my noticing it. I go to adjust a part volume, but instead run that part through a myriad of different tone changes, so I have learned to just set my mix ahead of time and stay with that.

Sorry Mimm, but the "Split" lower tone can not be held as you describe, because it is not considered a part of the Auto-accompaniment, and therefore operates the same as the two upper tones. I wish I had a viable workaround for you, but sadly, I do not. It IS a small world. An E36 was my first serious arranger keyboard. I had completely forgotten about this feature. I think that is where you probably got the term "Chord Hold". Oh my ! Those WERE the days ! Ted

Mimm There is no separate or discrete "chord hold function" on the CTK-7200. If you want the Auto-accompaniment to continue when you lift your left hand from the keys, just DO NOT PRESS THE SYNC STOP BUTTON. The "Chord Hold Function", as you call it, is ON by default, but pressing the SYNC STOP button turns it OFF. The SYNC STOP button is a "toggle", so if you press it by mistake, just press it again to put things normal. You use the SYNC STOP button to purposely stop the Auto-accompaniment when you lift your hands. Good luck and enjoy your CTK-7200 ! Regards, Ted

Stefano Sorry about the misunderstanding about how you made your recording. The backing did not sound like a preset rhythm, so I thought you were getting it from some external MP3 source, but it was because you had turned off those three tones that was fooling me. Anyway, using your set up, I have not been able to replicate your problem on my WK-7500, but I need to do some more experimenting. I need to make a Song Sequencer recording that is absolutely perfect, so that I know that any errors in the final audio recording are the keyboard's and not mine. Like most things we do, when we know we can not make an error, that is all we can do - is make errors. I will probably be tied up in the severe weather spotter network for this area over the next day or so. I need to get my gear together and get prepared for that, so it will probably be a day or so. Better yet, could you attach a copy of your ".CMS" Song Sequencer file ? I will render it to an audio file on my WK-7500, convert it to MP3 and post it back here so you can listen to it yourself. If you do not hear the anomaly in my audio rendering, then you will know that there is either something amiss with your CTK-7200, or it is a quirk of the CTK-7200/WK-7600 model line, but if you do hear it in my audio rendering, then it is probably a quirk of the entire CTK/WK-7XXX model line. Regards, Ted

OMB Looks like we have several items to discuss, but before we get into that, I need to satisfy my curiosity. Your most recent reply leads me to believe that you have some kind of access to a WK-7600. Have you already purchased one, or are you trying one out ? In either case, were you aware that the WK-7600 has a global EQ for adjusting the overall frequency response ? If not, you may want to try tweaking the bass response from there. My WK-7500 is not blessed with that feature, so I can not try it out from here. I use an old Realistic (Radio Shack) 10 band stereo equalizer with it into a Technics 100 watt stereo amp with a Sony 6 inch 3-way speaker system. That gets the job done for me most of the time, but it's still not quite the same as the WK-3800. So, on with the show ! YES ! The WK-3800 can load registrations from either an SD Card (1 Gb max) or a 3 1/2 inch diskette. This would solve your memory problem, because it essentially makes your registration storage limitless, but there is still a show stopper drawback. No keyboard can "use" registrations directly from external storage. They must first be loaded into internal User Memory, and then accessed from there in the normal manner. The WK-3800 can only save/load one bank of 4 at a time. Saving is no problem, as you would do that at your leisure, but loading during a live performance is another matter entirely. Loading one bank of 4 into internal memory takes at least 10 button presses plus one or two more to "select" it after it is loaded. The data transfer alone requires roughly 8 seconds, but the entire process takes around 30 to 45 seconds, if you are really nimble at pressing the buttons and do not make a mistake in the process. It would be nice if the WK-3800 offered the option of loading one bank or a complete set of 8 banks at a time. That way, you could pre-load the first set of 8 banks, use those, then start loading the next set of 8 banks as you go on break, but now we may be seeing some light at the end of the tunnel. The WK-7600 will not save/load single banks at a time. It gets all 16 banks of 6 (96 total Regs) in one fell swoop. I think that might be do-able for you. Still not something you would want to try between songs, but you could schedule load times to coincide with breaks. Start the load and go on break, and you have 96 new registrations when you return from break. The trade-off here is that you loose the ability to name individual banks (eg. with song names) as you can on the WK-3800. You can only name the entire 16 bank set, so you would need to keep a good set of notes, but this is really nothing new for most of us. Now, if you could resolve the "sound" issue, you might be able to give the WK-7600 some serious consideration. Best of luck with this ! Regards, Ted

OMB Sorry to be so long in responding, but I had to wait until I could retrieve my WK-3800 from loan (My sis !) to check out several items before responding. First, the memory. When you ask "Can the WK-3800 Registration memory be increased?" the ultimate answer is "Yes ! Anything with enough money and all the right parts and enough knowledge and determination and skill is possible, but is it practical ?" In this case - NO. Memory in keyboards like the WK-3800 is not mounted on plug-in boards, like in a computer. The memory chips are typically hard soldered to the main circuit board, making replacement extremely difficult and risky. Even if you could find the correct chips with larger storage capacity and someone to replace them, the operating system (firmware) would have to be upgraded to address the additional memory, and the WK-3800's firmware is not upgradeable. As for your colleagues' suggestions, Nords, Motifs, MO's, Fantoms, Jupiters, FA's, Krosses, Kromes, etc. are all very fine stage and studio units, but they are not arrangers. They are not "one man banders". They have no onboard full auto-accompaniment features. If you need that, then they would not suit your needs. Yamaha, Korg, and Ketron, to name the main contenders, have MOTL and TOTL units with the sophisticated registration systems you seek, that can be foot pedal or even computer/tablet controlled, but these units go for between $1500 and $6000. Now, as for the WK-7600. While its registration memory has been vastly expanded over that of the WK-3800 to 16 banks of 6 for a total of 96, the method of accessing them is essentially identical to that of the WK-3800, so upgrading for that reason would increase your memory three-fold, but would not resolve your access problems. Much has been said (and written) about the sound differences between the WK-3XXX units and the newer boards. The bulk of this is attributable to the fact that the WK-3XXX sound systems (the power amplifiers and speakers) were designed along the lines of those of "boom boxes" that were popular at the time, and results in those big boomy bass sounds, while the sound systems of the newer CTK/WK-6XXX/7XXX boards are designed to provide the more precise sounds of studio close-field monitors, but external amps and speakers can be chosen to provide sound with a particular character. This aside, for most owners, the WK-3800 has some favorite tones, and rhythms, and features that were not carried over into the newer units, so I would recommend against an outright swap, regardless of the replacement unit. It would be wise to hang on to the WK-3800 for a while until workarounds can be found for those items which were lost in the replacement.

Paul I think it would be very rare, indeed, to find any preset arpeggio on any keyboard that exactly matches that in a published work. Being mostly of a generic design, their purpose is, as you have suggested, primarily for arranger/composition/improvisational applications, where the composer is free to build the work around the chosen arpeggio(s). When some arpeggios, particularly those with a "reflection" effect that is locked to the song tempo, are played with a specific rhythmic approach, the arp takes on a life or animation all its own, that is just not heard by simply pressing and holding down the keys. Many keyboards made in the past 20 years or so have included a "preview" phrase function to suggest to the owner how different sounds (tones) are intended to be played. It would be nice if that were expanded to include the arpeggios.

Paul See the section titled: Playing a Particular Song All the Way Through at the bottom of the left hand column on Page E-33 of the manual.

Yes ! See the section titled "Loading Data from a Memory Card" in your manual: Page E-106 for the CTK-6000/WK-6500 Page E-105 for the CTK-6200/WK-6600 Page E140 for the CTK-7000/WK-7500 or CTK-7200/WK-7600 Pay particular attention to the precaution in Step 2 to ensure that the keyboard is NOT in CARD mode, or you will not be able to go into LOAD/SAVE mode. That is to say: DO NOT start this procedure by pressing the CARD button. That puts the keyboard into CARD mode. Start the procedure with Step 3 by pressing the SONG SEQUENCER button to go into Song Sequencer mode, and then press and hold the FUNCTION button as you press the (F+)LOAD/SAVE (CARD) button. The top line of the display screen should show "-Seq Load-", with the Song Number and Song Name below that. Follow the steps in the manual to complete the load.

Hi Jacky ! Welcome to the forum and to the wonderful world of Casio. I am sure you are going to enjoy the CTK-800. Congratulations on getting the software drivers and SMF Converter installed on your computer and for getting the CTK-800 connected to it. That will allow you to play Standard MIDI Files directly from your computer to the CTK-800 using MIDI file player or sequencer software programs, or as you have already discovered, to convert and load Standard MIDI Files to Casio format and load up to 5 of them into the CTK-800's internal song memory. Sadly, the CTK-800 only has internal memory for loading, storing, and playing songs. It is not equipped with "user" memory for loading, storing, or playing additional tones or rhythms, but it does have 500 tones and 120 rhythms permanently onboard. If you need software for playing MIDI files directly from the computer to the CTK-800 you can obtain a free copy of the Vanbasco MIDI File Player from here: http://www.vanbasco.com/ or if you would prefer sequencer software that would allow you to edit MIDI files, here is a list of the free downloads that are available: http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/freeware/MIDI_SEQUENCERS/ The above software allows you to play MIDI files directly from your computer to the CTK-800 (using the CTK-800 as a "sound module"), rather than having to first convert and load them into the CTK-800's internal memory. It will also allow you to turn off the "lead" tracks in MIDI files and leave the others as "backing" tracks for you to play along with. This will, to some extent, offset the CTK-800's inability to load additional rhythms. Good luck ! Regards, Ted

Once you have pressed the START / STOP button to start playback of an audio file, press the NO / V ( - ) button to reduce playback volume or the YES / /\ (+) button to increase playback volume - OR - once you have pressed the YES or NO button and brought up the AudioVol. screen, just use the Data Wheel to adjust the playback volume more quickly. See the table in Item 4 at the top of the left hand column on Page E-127 of the manual for more convenience controls during audio file playback.

From Google translator: I just recently purchased the piano px 5s and I noticed that after entering a rotary and intervened on volumes, both pianos that organs are in strong distortion. Can anyone help me to fix it? Thank you. I think he is saying that since he used the rotary effect, piano and organ tones are now heavily distorted.

You may have lost the USB port on the WK-3300, but let's not buy any unwanted trouble yet. Start by trying a different USB cable on the WK-3300, if you have not already done so. If that does not help, back up any User data you may have on the WK-3300 to an SD Card (1 Gb or less. Cards larger than 1 Gb are not supported/recognized.) and do a system reset. At this point, you obviously can not do a back up to the computer. WK-3300 System Reset: Power the keyboard on and press the TRANSPOSE/FUNCTION button at the upper left corner of the display screen. The display will show 00 Trans. Press the DOWN CURSOR button THREE times. The display will show InitMix? Press the press the RIGHT CURSOR button TWO times. The display will show InitSys? Press the YES/+ ONCE. The display will show Sure? [ At any point, if you change your mind, press the EXIT button to abort the process. ] Press the YES/+ button again to initiate the reset. After the reset is complete, power the keyboard off and back on and retry your computer connection. Restore any backed up User data to the keyboard. Good luck !