Just Alex Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 Found an easy to reproduce glitch, works on firmware 1.08 Set auto power off to OFF. Connect to instrument via CDM. Upload a rhythm. Close CDM now go to instrument settings and discover that auto power off is set to ON. The far we go, more glitches I see. This is really distracting and most idiotic error I ever seen. Next to an error, when you can't use CDM if you have your keyboard connected as midi device (even if not using it). All that totally ruins my keyboard experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casio_style Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 3 hours ago, Just Alex said: The far we go, more glitches I see. This is really distracting and most idiotic error I ever seen. Next to an error, when you can't use CDM if you have your keyboard connected as midi device (even if not using it). All that totally ruins my keyboard experience. A midi device in Windows OS cannot be used by two devices at the same time. This is not a Casio problem or a Casio Data Manager problem. This is how Windows works. No need to invent non-existent glitches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Alex Posted January 10, 2021 Author Share Posted January 10, 2021 Nope. I'm using it as a single MIDI device. CDM is uploading a file via USB. I can use Yamaha Musicsoft downloader to download new styles to my PSR E-413, while still playing MIDI thru the MIDI IN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casio_style Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 This means that your bootloader does not work with your synthesizer, as with a midi device, but otherwise. Casio Data Manager works with a synthesizer just like a midi device. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Alex Posted January 10, 2021 Author Share Posted January 10, 2021 Maybe maybe, so can anyone tell me, how it is possible to change via "works just like a midi device" system settings, such as auto off ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casio_style Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 Not sure if I understood your question correctly. Casio Data Manager "communicates" with the synthesizer using sysexes and batch data transfer, and there may well be some commands that reset some of the synthesizer's default settings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler Holloway Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 Data Manager works entirely via bulk sysex batch commands. It doesn't need anything other than sysex to send files to the internal memory, because the CT-X models don't support features that would require a different kind of transfer protocol (sample import being the main one). The way that the sysex dumps are formatted to carry out the transfer are documented in the separate MIDI implementation document for the CT-X models, so if you really wanted to, you could perform all the same functions with enough knowledge and a third-party sysex librarian. Data Manager just vastly simplifies the process by bundling the librarian features with an easy drag and drop GUI. Thanks for pointing out this issue, haven't seen it documented elsewhere before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Alex Posted January 11, 2021 Author Share Posted January 11, 2021 So, as we can see, it is possible to change system settings via SYSEX, right? So imagine, someone posts cool style or midi file, you load it into keyboard and it resets all your settings or erases user recordings so nice...... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casio_style Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 Without going into details, I will answer briefly: it will not be possible to delete user data, either through the style or through the midi file. And you can control the synthesizer, turn on the desired timbres, effects, and more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler Holloway Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 2 hours ago, Just Alex said: So, as we can see, it is possible to change system settings via SYSEX, right? So imagine, someone posts cool style or midi file, you load it into keyboard and it resets all your settings or erases user recordings so nice...... It can't erase a user recording unless you specifically try to load a new recording into that slot, and Data Manager warns you and forces a manual confirmation before that happens. If you try to use a sysex librarian program other than the officially supported Data Manager and you overwrite pre-existing data unintentionally, that's part of the risk you sign on for when using unsupported, third party software. There's really no need to try to transfer data that way when Data Manager or the flash drive slot are acceptable methods. Regarding your problem about being unable to use the CT-X as a MIDI device when Data Manager is active, that's a limitation that would exist regardless of which transfer software you use, because in the end, all software based transfers through the USB host port on the CT-X must be carried out via MIDI sysex and that means that Windows must open communications with it as a MIDI device over USB. Once that connection is established, it can't interface with any other software that might utilize the CT-X as a USB-MIDI device until that connection is closed. This would be the case with any keyboard or synthesizer that performs data transfer via MIDI sysex (like my MicroKorg, or my Roland JU-06, for example), it is not a Casio problem or a "glitch." Your issue with Data Manager changing the auto-power off setting is indeed strange, but plenty of people have been using Data Manager for CT-X data transfer since the CT-X boards launched 3 years ago, and this is the only irregularity with system settings that's ever been reported on these forums. It seems unlikely that a transfer error that would result in catastrophic loss of user data or settings would have been entirely undiscovered through the QA testing phase and the three years the software has been in active circulation, but if you are that concerned about this possibility, you are always welcome to use the flash drive method for total peace of mind. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craterus Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 On 1/11/2021 at 11:22 PM, Chandler Holloway said: It can't erase a user recording unless you specifically try to load a new recording into that slot, and Data Manager warns you and forces a manual confirmation before that happens. If you try to use a sysex librarian program other than the officially supported Data Manager and you overwrite pre-existing data unintentionally, that's part of the risk you sign on for when using unsupported, third party software. There's really no need to try to transfer data that way when Data Manager or the flash drive slot are acceptable methods. Regarding your problem about being unable to use the CT-X as a MIDI device when Data Manager is active, that's a limitation that would exist regardless of which transfer software you use, because in the end, all software based transfers through the USB host port on the CT-X must be carried out via MIDI sysex and that means that Windows must open communications with it as a MIDI device over USB. Once that connection is established, it can't interface with any other software that might utilize the CT-X as a USB-MIDI device until that connection is closed. This would be the case with any keyboard or synthesizer that performs data transfer via MIDI sysex (like my MicroKorg, or my Roland JU-06, for example), it is not a Casio problem or a "glitch." Your issue with Data Manager changing the auto-power off setting is indeed strange, but plenty of people have been using Data Manager for CT-X data transfer since the CT-X boards launched 3 years ago, and this is the only irregularity with system settings that's ever been reported on these forums. It seems unlikely that a transfer error that would result in catastrophic loss of user data or settings would have been entirely undiscovered through the QA testing phase and the three years the software has been in active circulation, but if you are that concerned about this possibility, you are always welcome to use the flash drive method for total peace of mind. Really thanks @Chandler Hollowayfor this clarifying post ..the way you answered on that made clear to me many things that would be difficult to understand later on my own...Also thanks to @Just Alex for asking bringing all this to the fore , even if he initially reported his observations as "a glitch" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Alex Posted January 16, 2021 Author Share Posted January 16, 2021 If I turned off that thing, this means I need it that way, and no one should decide it instead of me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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