jaspeter Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 File Name: 9 Drawbar OrganFile Submitter: jaspeterFile Submitted: 18 Oct 2013File Category: PX-5S Stage SettingsI'm just getting into the Hammond B-3 sound and I was really impressed with the 9 Layer Organ that Jimmyjames posted back in July. I started looking into the way the drawbars worked and found some pretty good pages on the net that have some of the more popular registrations. Unfortunately, you need 9 drawbars to do that and the way they were tied together in the 9 Layer Organ didn't allow you to adjust all of them independently. So, I wanted to build something that would allow me to experiment. This really won't be a performance Stage Setting as much as a "play around with" Stage Setting that you can then solidify into different presets as you find them.I really think that the key to pulling off a B-3 sound will be in presets because there aren't 30-some-odd drawbars on the PX-5S, for good reason! Here are some of the key notes you'll need to be aware of for this stage setting:Drawbars: There are nine "drawbars". On the Hammond, they are organized this way: 16' 5 1/3' 8' 4' 2 2/3' 2' 1 3/5' 1 1/3' and 1'. They are on the PX-5S as follows, respectively: ModWheel, S1, S2, S3, S4, S5, S6, K1, K2.Rotary effect: I like being able to experiment with these effects, so I moved them to K3.K4: This controls the volume of the percussion. More on that below.Pedal 1: This switches between 2nd percussion/slow decay and 3rd percussion/fast decay. I didn't think the 3rd harmonic sounded very nice when it suspended for too long, but you can adjust that as you like by editing the Stage Setting parameters.Pedal 2: This turns the percussion on and off.Percussion: I don't have a Hammond B-3 to sit next to, but I do have the internet! I found a good YouTube video in which some of the different sounds and registrations were isolated: . With the laptop plugged into the audio in port of the PX-5S (good thinking, Casio!) I played this video through the same speaker as the keyboard. True to some of the other articles I read, the percussion sounded quite marimba-like, so that's on the percussion channel (zone 3).The way the original organs were built, percussion only happened for the first note struck in a legato passage, i.e. as long as any keys were held down, no more percussion sounded. To duplicate this effect, I created a phrase that plays one single note, and then dummy-fill (with expression controller values) to extend the phrase for awhile. Percussion will repeat if you hold down a note long enough, but at a tempo of 20, it hadn't repeated after 2 minutes of sounding a note. I think that'll do. If you want to bypass this effect and have percussion strike every note, regardless of other keys held down, simply turn off the arpeggio button. You will also need the OrganPercuss phrase file in slot 910 for this feature to work.Click here to download this file 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaspeter Posted October 30, 2013 Author Share Posted October 30, 2013 I missed a step for the download. When you load the phrase onto the PX-5S, you need to change the LOOP: from [OFF] to [ON]. Don't forget to WRITE the file into the same slot (910) after changing the loop parameter. If you don't do this, the percussion will sound on every note, regardless of legato playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
APkeys Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 I love this setting, but is there any way to switch between fast/slow rotary? If not, what would be the best way to implement that without sacrificing too much? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Muscara Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 I love this setting, but is there any way to switch between fast/slow rotary? If not, what would be the best way to implement that without sacrificing too much?According to what he wrote above, it's on K3 (knob 3). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
APkeys Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 When I move K3 it changes vibrato/chorus, which are rotary effects, not speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Muscara Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Sorry, I haven't played this one myself so I could only go by what I read above. You could replace any of the controls he has with the rotary control. You would just have to decide which one you can do without and replace it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
APkeys Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 No problem! I tinkered with it and assigned it to pedal one, so it's all good! Thanks! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaspeter Posted January 21, 2014 Author Share Posted January 21, 2014 Hi! Glad you like it. I was about to suggest sacrificing pedal 2 (percussion on/off) and using that to switch fast/slow leslie. You can turn percussion off by cranking K4 down to zero. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaneblyth Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 No problem! I tinkered with it and assigned it to pedal one, so it's all good! Thanks!what setting did u change specifically to get the slow fast rotor on the sustain pedal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaspeter Posted May 1, 2014 Author Share Posted May 1, 2014 @shaneblyth, If I remember right, all you need to do is change the Pedal 1 target to DSP 1. That's the fast/slow toggle for the rotary DSP. (I may have used the Drive Rotary DSP, I don't remember offhand. If DSP 1 doesn't do the trick for you, try DSP 3.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katie Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 There are four files to download. Are these melody tones or hextones? How do I load these four separate downloads to one stage setting? Sorry for the newbie question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaspeter Posted May 2, 2014 Author Share Posted May 2, 2014 Sorry, Katie. There was only supposed to be the one file now, with the B1 at the end of the filename. The percussion modeling is done with the arpeggiator, which is stored in the stage setting, do you should only need the stage setting file. I thought I had deleted the others, which were from a previous version. I'll do that from my desktop tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimB Posted May 4, 2014 Share Posted May 4, 2014 New user here and just started setting up my PX5S preferences. Needed a good Hammond sound and 9DB vB1 seems to be a good fit but I cannot get the Rotary effect to work via pedal 1. Selected Rotary in DSP edit and Stage Setting Edit>Common Pedal 1 to speed and tried the other recommendations posted with no luck. Can't find the Pedal 1 Target>DSP1 setting as recommended. So, how does one set up slow/fast rotary via pedal 1????.....Thanks!! : ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Saucier Posted May 4, 2014 Share Posted May 4, 2014 Do this on the front panel of the px5 and it will show the dsp parameters by name in the target list. The editor will not show the names like this. Select the zone with the organ tone/rotary dsp using the zone +- buttons.Press edit>stage setting>common edit>pedal 1>set it to toggle and not momentary> edit target>choose SPEED fast/slow Make sure pedal 1 is off in the other 3 zones. Edit>stage setting>zone>controller>pedal 1>off (use the zone +- buttons to change zones) 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digerbop Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 On 5/4/2014 at 10:03 AM, BradMZ said: Do this on the front panel of the px5 and it will show the dsp parameters by name in the target list. The editor will not show the names like this. Select the zone with the organ tone/rotary dsp using the zone +- buttons. Press edit>stage setting>common edit>pedal 1>set it to toggle and not momentary> edit target>choose SPEED fast/slow Make sure pedal 1 is off in the other 3 zones. Edit>stage setting>zone>controller>pedal 1>off (use the zone +- buttons to change zones) I tried this and set it to pedal 2, but it's acting funny. I set the DSP to rotary on Zone 1 (Where the organ sound is) and I set pedal 2 to"speed" under "common" for the Stage Setting. Then I disabled pedal 2 under zone 3 (where it was previously enabled and set up to toggle percussion on/off) and turned it on for only zone 1. The rotary speed switching works, but only when I have zone 3 selected on the front panel. If I go right to the stage setting from another stage setting it defaults to viewing zone 1 (as per the norm) and I can't switch the rotary speed with pedal 2 until I tab over with Zone + so that I have zone 3 selection. There is obviously some kind of hold over from pedal 2 being setup until zone 3 in the initial stage setting, but I don't know where that option is. I have run into similar issues with other patches when I make a fader/knob/pedal do something different on a different zone than it was int he factory preset. It does what I want but only when I have the original zone selected. Sometimes I have had it where the fader does sometimes different depending on what zone is selected. (I had distortion set up on knob 2 on a synth patch which I added to a piano sound. The piano had knob 2 originally mapped to mid eq. I set knob 2 to distortion for the synth and only turned it on for zone 2 [where the synth was]. It would distort as desired when I had zone 2 selected, but if I tabbed over to select zone one, it would distort the synth as well as changing the mid eq for the synth, but leave the piano sound uneffected [as it should because I had knob 2 turned off for zone 1. This if obviously a different issue, but probably related to what I am doing know/not understanding for the organ tone.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Saucier Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Upload your stage setting here and I'll look at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digerbop Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Here is the organ sound. I don't have the piano/synth sound anywhere anymore. 9DrawJPmodB1.ZPF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Saucier Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Press edit>stage setting>common edit>pedal 2 edit>on rate>.....change it from 000 to 127. Your on rate was set to infinity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digerbop Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Thanks. That worked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joabgomes Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Queria baixar como faço? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stjabo Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 Jaspeter, Thanks so much! This is the best Hammond patch I've found. I was able to make one tweak, but had some technical difficulty. I altered knob 3 to be a rotary expression as so: Assign 1: DSP Param 6 Min: 0 Max: 80, Assign 2: DSP Param 9 Min:0 Max:46. This adjusts the fast rate and adds a tiny volume swell as the rate gets faster. This is an attempt to replicate the organ mod wheel on a Nord. My technical difficulty is that I want to use the mod wheel to control this. I can do that, but I can't get a knob to replicate what the mod wheel is currently doing. It seems to be adjusting something in addition to Layer 1 Vol. All the way down it adds quite a bit of bass. I can't get the same effect just assigning Layer 1 Vol to K3 (and matching the Min/Max) and I can't seem to get K4 to actually adjust anything even though the screen says it is. I feel like I'm missing something on the Zone tab of the editor, but can't figure out what. Any insight would be appreciated! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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