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Brad, is this behavior that can be communicated to Casio or Mike? Do you think there would be any chance of fix?

Hi, Hmmm try the flanger feedback and the chorus feedback. These also have a -64 to +63 range. If they can't be adjusted in real time correctly (not edit mode) then that should warrant a fix from Casio I would think. That's an actual glitch in the programming as opposed to a "nice to have" request. I tested the Phaser Manual using the direct Slider assignment to Manual and even using NRPN entries. I montiored the MIDI and saw that the slider transmitted 0-127 but the adjustment to the parameter on the PX-5s only ranged 0 to -64 then jumped to +63. Even the display window on the PX-5s reads -64 to +63 when the slider is moved but the actual adjustment to the parameter neglects 0 to +62.

What? Now I'm just angry! 😀 No problems with MIDI feedback? I suppose because of the MIDI ids being the same it would just think another PX is sending in data. I just rigged a virtual port in MIDI-OX where the MIDI output from the keyboard loops back into the MIDI input of the keyboard and it totally works so far without issue. So with two hex layers, you could potentially have 18 tones playing simultaneously. Plug-in a usb drive that plays a MIDI file or use the song sequence for the other 8 channels and you can play along for a total of 26 tones. and 256 polyphony... My head hurts

Hi, When you are playing the PX-5s normally the +/- buttons only change the Quality of the sound (i.e.) the tone for the specific stage setting and specific zone you are on. A Stage setting is broken into 4 zones and by default, zone 1 out is MIDI channel 1, zone 2 out is MIDI channel 2, zone 3 = 3, zone 4= 4. If the particular stage setting has the zones mapped to different MIDI out channels, then switching to that stage setting will change those channels. To map a zone for a particular stage setting press: Edit > Zone Edit > MIDI Edit > External Out Ch then the +/- buttons on the far right. You can of course assign MIDI channels 1-16. Follow the procedures to save the stage setting if you want the change to be stored permanently. On the top of the display window you will see Z1, Z2, Z3 or Z4. This is the current zone within the stage setting you are editing. To change the zone, press -/+ buttons next to the Tempo button on the LEFT hand side of the display window.

I know this is a bit late but: I'm not sure if this will help if you store everything as All files. But, if you have many different tone, phrase, sequence, stage settings etc. type files, then you can create packages in the Data Editor that will group the things you want to together or loaded into the various sections (tone, stage setings, phrase) of the PX-5s without having to load or save everything like you do with an All file. This is only useable through the data editor. What it would allow you to do, for example, would be to create a package that contains several different tones, maybe a couple of stage settings, maybe a phrase or two, maybe a sequence in whatever combination and assigned to whatever user slot you want. You can create several of these packages that organize the types of data you have however you want. You then transfer the package to the PX-5s and it wil affect only those things that you wanted to load.

Hi, You don't have to use channel 1 and 2 for song track 1 and 2. You could start the song sequencer track at MIDI channel 5 and use the hex layers on zone 1 and 2 in the stage settings. Likewise you can set a song sequencer track to drums. The drums don't have to be on track 1 or 2 of the sequencer or on channel 1 or 2. If I understand what you are after, you could setup and entire song sequencer at say tempo 110. You could set hex layers on zones 1 and 2 and you could set up an arpegiation for that stage setting. Press [Song], choose the song, then press exit. The song light will stay lit. Press start and also play the keyboard at the same time and your arpeggiated stage setting will play with the song in time. The drums and the hex layers won't step on each other. You would have to manually start and stop the song when playing the keyboard. Am I missing your objective?

Hi, I know this is a bit late, but while you can't set the dial as a program change controller in a stage setting, you can achieve the result of spinning the dial ang changing program settings on an external instrument using: [Sys Settings] > Sound Generator > Mixer Part1-16 > (choose the part/channel with the -/+ keys to the left of the screen) > Tone Choose any of the tone banks on the top , then spin Knob K2 to quickly cycle through those programs. It will change the external keyboard also. Another way through the stage setting would be to choose the with the +/- keys, pick a Tone bank from the top of the keyboard, then use the +/- keys on the far right to scroll through the various program changes.

hmmm. Maybe try this: Press Bank > 0 > 0 that will open the concert grand that only has 1 zone so things don't get complicated Press the button Synth/Various Then use the -/No +/Yes keys on the far right to cycle to P 053 = GM Echoes, Or try P 042 = GM Space Cho Or Maybe Press the Strings/Brass button and cycle to P : 43 = GM Voice Do or maybe P : 13 Choir Slide Fader S4 up and down to control the chorus effect on the stage setting itself. Press the DSP key to bring up the more global effects, and use the -/+ keys to bring up a chorus. Mess with the parameters to taste.

I noticed that years ago with the PX. I do think it's partly the keybed and action design. The keys themselves don't have snap and are very slow when returning to a resting position so it's not easy to do super clean trills or repeated keys. I think this ties into the velocity too. The mechanism just isn't great. I love my PX-5s but the key playability is only OK. For slow passages and expressive playing It does great and feels great; but fast playing, repeated notes and loud playing - just so so. I used MIDIOX to intercept velocities at 110 and above and automatically shoot them up to 127 on the output. This was the only way i could get the punch I needed for external instruments when I'd play aggressively.

I've noticed this clicking and clanking has steadily increased over the last year or so with the PX-5s. The white keys don't do it yet, but the black keys, especially the ones I play most are doing it. There's now a side to side wiggle that causes the plastic sounding !clack! . This one is 8 years old.

Don't understand what you are trying to do. You want to use the pedals to step forward or backward through the stage settings? How does it relate to an external setlist maker? Do you want to step on a pedal and then the external setlist maker changes the stage setting on the PX-5S?

Hi, MIDI thru is always only midi thru. What comes in from an EXTERNAL source is passed thru the current device to another device. If the current device is the PX-5s it will not pass notes or controls played on the keyboard to the port that is set as MIDI thru. Unless a synth is specifcally designed to merge incoming MIDI data with outgoing MIDI data, MIDI Thru always passes MIDI information foward from an external source. The reason is conflicting data. If you are pressing a key at velocity 50 on channel one and it's set to be a piano; and incoming data on channel one is at velocity 127 and is a program change to a saxaphone, what is the keyboard you're playing supposed to do? That's what MIDI thru is for. It bypasses the keyboard and sends the data on without affecting it. The MIDI thru port is set by > MIDI out Select [MIDI] or USB out Select [MIDI]. The only way to get info out of the PX-5s is by setting one or both of the ports to [KEY]. But that information is exclusive to the PX-5s. It is not merged with data that is passing thru the PX-5s. So you are using an expression pedal in a MIDI input to the PX-5s. The direct control will change the PX because the PX is the endpoint of the connection - that change will not be transmitted forward if you wanted to control something else. Now if you spun a dial or moved a slider on the PX that was set as an expression control, that would be transmitted out because the PX would be initiating it instead of receiving it. You should control the expression on the final device receiving the MIDI input. The only good controlling the expression via MIDI on the PX-5s would be if you are using it's own sounds . You should, however, be able to use both the 5 pin out from the PX and the USB. let's say the 5 pin out is your MIDI thru with the expression control. When you step on the pedal plugged into the PX-5s 5 pin IN and the 5 pin OUT is set up as a thru and connected to the destination, you should see CC 11 (assuming that's the cc being sent) changing on the destination. If the destination can receive a second MIDI in via the USB from the PX-5s, you would set the USB to [KEY] so that keyboard information is sent from the PX. The receiving device would need to be able to receive the USB as a separate MIDI in port. In the end you are still left with merging the MIDI data.

Hi Jaspeter, Page 56 in the MIDI manual seems to list all of the parameters for LFO. At position 19 in the first string 35 00 (in MSB LSB order 0035 ) is the parameter for the LFO pitch rate. I still can't figure out the second string. 4B 01 (or 014b) that ID has to do with the pedal parameter data entry but I don't think that's what it's applying to.

I'm gonna guess that since the OP hasn't responded since Feb, we'll highjack the thread a little. It's pretty complicated - at least how the editor communicates. For example, I want to adjust only the LFO Pitch Rate from 0 to 1. Two sets of SYSEX strings are sent for this one parameter change: SYSX: F0 44 17 02 7F 01 03 03 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 35 00 00 00 00 00 41 F7 SYSX: F0 44 17 02 7F 01 00 03 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 4B 01 00 00 00 00 01 F7 In the first string, the hex value 41 is from having moved the dial up +1. This value will start at 40 (equals relative zero or in reality 64) and increase or decrease by 1. Since my display is in hex, a value of 10 looks like 4A. The values can go up or down 64 units which means the value ranges from 00 (or relative -64) to 7F (or relative +63) The second string seems to be an "I'm done changing the value for LFO Pitch Rate" kind of thing. I think the messages are always paired. An initiation - change in value, and then a final or conclusion after the change. What I'm saying is that you'd have to know the string pair for each parameter to figure out all the messages. I've had a very hard time trying to figure out the MIDI implementation manual. It's like it gives 60 percent of the info and leaves out those few details that would allow you to write proper code. But that aside, maybe those two strings will help you tie back the process to everything.

In general and in Decimal: Bank Select 0 set to 112 Bank Select 32 set to 0 Program change 0-99 (or 1-100) to change the stage setting number If you are going to use MSB and LSB, you'll have to send an NRPN (Hex): c = MIDI Channel (0 - F) ss = Stage setting number (00 - 63) Bc 63 24 - MSB Bc 62 00 - LSB Bc 06 40 - a stage setting change is following this Bc 26 ss - stage setting change Bc 65 7F - end of NRPN MSB Bc 64 7F - end of NRPN LSB

I think 5 and 10 are my favorites

Also, please note that the PX-5s may transmit the same note on 4 midi channels depending on the stage setting you choose and how the zones are set up. If your VST is set to receive MIDI data on all channels, then depending on what you chose on the PX-5s you may be sending the same MIDI note multiple times. This can cause weird phasing, volume differences, all kinds of weird stuff.

Sounds reasonable if set up correctly. Maybe the difference is a Hex sound vs a standard Tone?

That seems pretty cool. Easy setup?

Real quick, try 0,0 (just to get 1 zone active). Then under the tone buttons press, Synth/Various. Use the Plus key to select Saw Lead 2. Then move the modulation wheel up maybe a quarter. Set slider 3(Attack) somerwhere between 90 and 105 to taste. Not perfect but -so similar. Don't strike the keys with too much velocity or change your velocity reponse all together. Set Slider 1(cut off) to about 44 and slider 2(resonance) to 127 This took about two minutes to test so, like I said - not perfect but ounds close to me.

The look of the position numbers suggests that there is clock information being sent. Do you have logic set up as a slave device and px-5s set up as master. Just guessing but it looks like logic might be reading or trying to read clock information from the px. Are you playing a phrase or the sequencer on the px? For what it's worth, it's a Non-Commercial sysex packet. That doesn't really help because we don't know what it's trying to do. (EDIT) One other thing, the positions look like measures, beats and durations of notes. Again, indicating some kind of timing or playback.

You're right on that. i had to compromise and place the phone on a table fairly equidistant from the speaker and the keyboard. closer to the keyboard though to be fair.

I was just curious if anyone did any recording of their PX-5s using mics. I've done some direct recording through the line outs into an audio interface and into a DAW. Those results are always good. The sound quality with the internal DSP etc. has always impressed me. I did a quick "live" recording using my phone as the capture device and when I played it back, I didn't realize just how clacky and rattely the keys sounded. It was like I had an additional rythm track going on! 😄 I just wondered if anyone has tried to Mic their px-5s and if they picked up all of that key rattle and how they dealt with it. I guess I had gotten used to it and didn't realize how pronounced it was.

Hi, Just for clarity: You are putting a Hex tone in Zones 1 and/or 2 . You then want to put an organ tone in zones 3 or 4. You notice the Hex tones work with the leslie, but the organ tones are not. Is that correct?

If your input pedal is through the midi 5 pin IN, then you could use the USB port for the out to your ipad (opposite of the above). Or like you said, if your input pedal is USB and your output is the 5 pin out then you would need an interface to the ipad. The 5 pin In and USB out would be set by: [SYS Setting] > MIDI > (page 3) > USB Out Select [MIDI] Here's the thing, though I don't have a setup at the moment to verify this, these settings behave like a true thru port. That means the Input does not blend with the PX-5s keyboard MIDI on the output. For example, the setting above takes whatever would be coming in on the PX-5s' MIDI 5 pin IN and passes that directly to the USB port (it becomes a MIDI thru in this case). What you play on the keyboard wouldn't go out on that same port.