Normski

The Behringer FCB1010 cant be used to adjust Master volume on a PX5s. Its also a monster size. Far too big for what it does. Its about half the size and weight of a PX5. What ever way it's put, Lack of an expression pedal socket is unforgivable to me.

If you are a gigging musician that really must have an Expression pedal. Your in trouble. There are work arounds, I've tried most. But I found the only practicle thing to use for master volume is a stereo analogue volume pedal. Such as a Behringer FVC100. I found the lack of an expression socket a simple but mayor flaw. I spent lots of time and money trying workarounds that were not seriously gig able.

Hi Jeff Yeah th Uk is a long way from your location. Stange how all of my recent posts re selling my PX5s keep getting removed. Norm

I gotta agree with Hector. Yeah it’s a big list. A great list. We all know that some of these things could be improved with an update. But I doubt we'll see a single one added in any future update. Casio are not listening to the feedback. This is not what I had expected from a company claiming to be selling a Pro board. Im currently shopping around for my next K/B. Things on my list are pretty much what we have been asking for here. Expression Socket, Mono mode, Usable Rotary, Propr midi assignments, Usable compressor. And of course MY big ask is Master Volume control.

Hi elecmuse3 That looks to be a nice way to go. Norm

Lots of Basically there. I give up. Norm

Hi HectorSpace I love your Idea of Retro fitting a couple of sockets to take control of a knob or slider, Great Idea, not to dampen your fabulous idea, but guess what CC is not available to the knobs and sliders. Yep Master Vol. This was one of the suggestions I had originally said would make a great and useful O/S upgrade But there’s got to be so many other things that pedal could do. I might just add one too. Norm

Hi HectorSpace Thanks for the info and your experience of the Midi Solutions Pedal Controller with the Px-5s. Looks like even the work around, need a work around. I think I will just stop my search for an expression controller to use. Thanks for everyone’s suggestions. Norm

Hi tucktronix I've had this happen. I got around it, By recording a short wav on the PX. Then move the stick to a PC. Move the wav to the Pc. Cut and paste the wav001/name of the wav thats from the stick over the name of the wav that I want to use, Then copy and over write to the stick. It then works fine. I use this all the time to take new songs to work on to band reahersals. And als to fly in sound FX's during gigs, would prefer to be able to Name them. My advise, get a Micro stick. Theres less chance of it damaging the usb socket if knocked. Norm

Hi Ivan The PX-5s is not a VST instrument. It also cannot load or play VST instruments or FX's. It can be used as a Midi instument. Only way I know of, of useing VSTi's live is to use either a Laptop, a Receptor or a V-Machine. Norm

Hi Mike Thats good to know. Looks a better bet than the Behringer 1010 for continuos control. I will be getting one of these. Many thanks again. Norm

Hi Mike That may have to be my next direction. Many thanks. Norm

Hi Mike/Ebonivar/Brad Thanks for your replys. Plenty of options there. I bought a Behringer 1010 because a few people on here had said it would work in place of an expression pedal socket. It does not. It can be used to adjust CC messages 1-127 of any 1 midi channel with each pedal and it can change patches. It can also send one sys ex message upon changing patches. These sys ex messages are not constantly variable, they are sent as one shot. So cannot be used to constantly adjust anything. The CC channels available are only the midi standard of 1-127. This was where I was at when I first posted a message – Has anyone got master volume controlled by midi. Many answers later, And I thank you all for the time you have taken to contribute. But still there is nothing practical to use in a stage set up. Of course the analogue vol pedal is one way. If the PX had a CC message to access Master volume with the midi CC range of 1-127 then all would be fine. Get a Behringer 1010 and adjust with midi pedal. But it doesn’t, it may be CC 136. There are plenty of Genric CC channels available, and also loads with very limited use ones that would have found a suitable home for Master vol control on the PX. Is this a contender for an update. Im pretty sure this would be real easy to add. And just my thoughts so far of the suggestions given. Ta again. Mike - Analog Volume Pedal: Yes probably the sensible low tech way. MIDI Solutions Pedal Controller: I want to control Master vol, not 4 zones. Behringer FC1010: See above www.midiexpression.com – I wont be be using a computer to gig. Ebonivar - Master volume is easily controllable with sysex...I use it with the MIDI Designer iPad app, so I guess it should also be able to be accomplished via hardware, as Mike Martin has suggested. - Im not using a computer live. Hardware looking unlikely. Brad - Confirmed here too. Under system settings is the master volume parameter. Tweaking this sends a sysex message to Midi Ox. Sending the same message back to the PX-5s controls master volume. – Im not gigging with a computer. Hardware looking unlikely. I really appreciate all of your suggestions. Norm

Hi Mike Thaks for the reply. You say - that there are many workable solutions that can make one work without too much hassle. Can you tell me some of these solutions. They would be very helpful. Im hopeing to adjust the whole Stage setting volume, not just one zone. Master volume access via midi would have been a work around, but that appears not to be available. As I have said many times. It sounds great. More control would make it even better. Norm

Hi Leo 1, But your not controlling the stage setting volume, you are only controlling zone 1 volume with the Beringher1010. 2, I agree its not the best for lead synths, but would be massively better With mono mode, which is highly likely possible, but still not added to any updates. 3, Again I agree, a waterfall K/B would be handy. It’s the sounds that are bad. The casio K/b is still useable for organ playing, I use a V-Machine / VB3 with it. The whole point of my post is that, A new buyer might think that casio would update to iron out things that many have said they disliked. But this appears not to be the case. My criticisms were – and still are. How do you control MASTER volume while using two hands to play. This still stands. No exp socket & No midi access to master vol. A stereo analogue volume pedal is probably the only useable solution. Mono mode. Surly this could have been added. A Stage Setting is difficult to use in a midi studio to record and playback midi. Try it yourself, Pretty rubbish. And a few other suggestions that would probably have been possible to have been programmed in to an update. I still stand by these criticisms. The sound is very good, but you really need to be able to fully control a Pro Stage K/b.

Power is Nothing without Control. Shame on you Casio. I put my faith and money in you to be a Pro music retailer, but I feel let down. If you are considering buying a PX-5s, Consider my points below. If you play with two hands and want control, this may not be the K/B for you. And Do Not expect or rely on future useful updates, only ones that correct faults in the operating system. It wasn’t so obvious to me when I first got a PX-5 that it has some really stupid failures. Things that you really don’t expect to be a problem. They may not be a problem to everyone, but many have also complained about some of my moans below. I thought I could live with the omissions until they were rectified, but as time has gone by and with many gigs under my belt. I am coming to the conclusion that Casio are not going to do anything about them. And I am failing at working around these problems. Such as.. In a live situation, How do you control master volume while playing? Please don’t suggest the two stage volume switching, its interesting but not continuous. There’s no expression pedal socket and you can’t control master volume with midi, so you can’t even work around this with a midi controller pedal. Now I was aware it didn’t have this socket, but only through people moaning about it being missing. So that’s out. A stereo analogue volume pedal is probably the only useable solution. Mono mode is not available. Why. Absolute necessity to simulate a mono synth. Yeah you can play something close, but it ain’t Mono mode. So that’s out. A Stage Setting is difficult to use in a midi studio to record and playback midi. It should be one of the most obvious things you may want to do with it, even though it’s a stage instrument. But no. If the stage setting has more than one part, (many do). A stage setting permanently receives the 4 zone parts on 4 midi channels 1,2,3 & 4. Try it yourself, Pretty rubbish. This can be worked around by copying the recorded midi track to another 3 tracks within your Daw. Then changing the midi channel to 1,2,3 &4. This is for each track you use the PX5 for. What a palaver. Do that and concentrate on playing well too. Cheers Casio. There are other ways of doing it with multiple control changes or sysex, but I think my way is simpler. These work around’s should really not be necessary on a Pro K/b. A zone can be switched on/off by footswitch. But if you have a patch with two zones active to switching with one zone on and one off. The switch will only then switch the off zone on or off, then both off, then both on. A missed opportunity to be able to switch between patches, if they were flipped not just use once. Could have been a really good feature. I like the idea of using a Usb stick to have access to waves, but why are they not namable. Having to remember mid gig what Wave001 or Wave023 is, makes it unusable reliably. It’s like a Dos O/S from 1980’s or is that exactly what it is ? The screen, the menus, the navigation are real old. MP3’s would be even better too. Maybe add play lists etc. Another missed opo. I know it’s a Stage Piano but the Organ waves and Leslie Sim are really poor. I mean really poor. When will a Music Manufacturer get the message. We want proper Hammond clonewheel & Leslie sim included. Not some half assed attempt then give up and release it as is. Im too embarrassed to ever use these organ patches. If you want people to think Casio Pro, stop with the silly noises. I have praised this K/B many times. But Power without control is useless. I cannot see why these could not have been added. Sure programming would have taken some time. Im sure many would have even been prepared to pay for these improvements. Im surely not the only one finding these a big let down. I thought it would have been possible to have corrected these things in software and an update would put it right. I obviously never thought this would be possible with the expression socket. But I never thought the lack of an expression pedal socket would cause me to start looking at workarounds, but it has and that is where I am finding many things that are not as I would like. Come on Casio get your sh1t together, this keyboard was too good to mess it up with obvious omissions. This has been on the market now for well over a year, So its looking pretty doubtful that Casio are going to do anything about this. For me this maybe time to look for a Pro replacement, One that has gained a Pro reputation by getting it right, not one that I gaffa tape over the name. Yeah admit it, your all doing it. Even Casio did it themselves on the PX-5s predecessor the PX-3s. It only had Casio showing in small letters above the keyboard, On the audience side it only has Privia.

So it was just to fix faults in the O/S. A missed opportunity to add the functions many have been pleading with, for over a year. Shame on you Casio.

Has anyone seen a list of what’s in the V1.12 update? The website just says - • Solving a problem that unintended note off is occured to a note sounded by an instrument when connecting a specific MIDI device to MIDI IN. • Solving a problem that user data which was overwrited is set when an instrument is rebooted after overwriting preset data to the user data and load it. • Improving certain operation. Is that It.? I was hoping for more. Much more. Norm

Im not sure if the Behringer can be programmed to send a specific sysex message. I will be continue with this. But what a palaver, to just adjust a master volume. Definitely not a pro feature this. Im frustrated with this to the point of giving up. Surely this could have been fixed with the O/S updates.

Hi Choppin Yeah, it looks like using sys ex is gonna be out. And the Midi pedal only allows 1 midi ch per Expression pedal (there are two Expression pedals) So sending on four channels simultaniusly is out. I'd rather just be able to control the master volume, But It look like thats not going to be posible. So for me a few updates are really are nessasary. Master Volume needs to be accessable somehow, without using your hands. It would be good if you could choose with midi channels the zones recieved on. Instead of fixed as 1,2,3 & 4 .I've always found that a pretty rubish idea. Norm

Found this is the Midi doc. So it looks like it might be posible, Not sure if the 1010 is gonna manage it tho. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 16.1.1 Master Volume Message format: FOH 7FH ddH 04H 11H mmH F7H dd: Device ID 11: LSB Value (Receive: Ignored) mm: MSB Value Transmit - sent when the Master Volume is changed Receive – Receipt changes the Master Volume. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Norm

I have been experimenting with using a Behringer 1010 midi controller pedal. It’s a bugger to program, but im getting there. I want to be able to use a pedal to adjust the whole stage setting volume. Has anyone got this working. It shouldn’t be a big ask really. But as the stage settings use in to midi Ch 1 to 4. How do you keep the balance between zones and fade up/down. There is a master volume, that would do. But It doesn’t appear to be able to be used as a controller destination, unless this is in the latest O/S which I will get around to installing when my heavy gig sheet allows. If I set a 1010 midi pedal to Ch 1 it will adjust that zone only. The zones on any of the others 2,3 &4 will not be adjusted So - Can Master Volume be controlled by midi? It shouldn’t be a big ask really, wanting to adjust the complete stage setting volume when playing on stage while both hands are a bit busy. I love this keyboard but its very frustrating. I use a fairly complex set up and im an old hand with midi. Norm

Hi Dim Another option would be to use pedal 2 to sustain only the hi strings. Pedal 1 can be left as sustain for the pianos. Norm

1, Vox Continental 2, Hammond with fast Leslie on. 3, Described as rinky-dink organ, honky-tonk piano. Sounds like a Blend of synth and Vox continental type sound to me. My band are thinking of adding this Glory days to our repertoire. I will upload my version of the sound when I have done one. Norm

Hi Mv He needed the answer a month ago. Thats when he had the recording session.