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Here is a link to another thread, on this sub-forum. describing how to divide a MIDI song file into phrases, so that the Lesson features work correctly. It is an old thread, but the last couple of entries are fairly recent: http://www.casiomusicforums.com/index.php?/topic/5085-lk-280-how-to-split-a-file-into-lesson-parts/ The video in that thread is the wrong one. In that video he already has the MIDI data on the correct "Navigate" tracks/channels to light the keyboard keys. Here is a link to his other video, where he shows how to get the MIDI data onto the correct "Navigate" tracks channels: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0Bzlu-16dI but he did not do his full homework on the LK-280, and makes a couple of incorrect statements. He states that that data must go on track/channel 4. That is correct for the older and lower priced LK boards, but not the LK-280. On the LK-280, the RIGHT "Navigate" track/channel can be assigned anywhere from 2 to 16, and the LEFT "Navigate" track/channel is automatically assigned to the next lower track/channel. See the right hand column of Page E-60 of the LK-280 manual. He also states that the MIDI files you use should have the right and left hand data on separate tracks/channels, but that is not really true, if you are willing to spend a little time with some editing software, like Anvil Studio. If the right and left hand data is combined on the same track/channel, you use the editing software to clone the original track/channel to a second track/channel. Go to the track/channel for the right hand data and delete all notes below Middle C. Then go to the one for the left hand data and delete all notes Middle C and above. This works fine for all but complex scores that have a lot of notes around Middle C that might confuse the process, but even those can be corrected with a little cutting and pasting between tracks. I can not speak for the LK-280, as my LK board is a very old model from 2003. It is an inexpensive entry level model that does not even have touch sensitivity keys. On it, all of the above works except the WAIT feature. I can not tell, for certain, from all the LK-280 discussions and videos, on this subject, if this works for the WAIT feature on the newer, more advanced, LK boards. In the video I provided the link for here, in a couple of places, it looks like the WAIT feature might work, but I can not tell for sure. Now, all of this may sound a lot more involved than you would like, but believe me, once you have done it a couple of times, the entire process becomes pretty much automatic, very quickly, and is well worth the effort. If you need editing software, Anvil Studio has a fairly low learning curve, and is a free download from http://anvilstudio.com/ Good luck! - T - PS It is not a good idea to repeat (quote) replies from respondents in your entries, as this over-complicates the thread very quickly, and wastes a lot of hard drive space on the server.

Welcome to the forum. I am glad you are enjoying your LK-280. I hope the following information helps you resolve your problem. Sometimes MIDI files send commands to the keyboard that confuse it, and you need to do a factory reset to set things straight again. See the section Returning the Digital Keyboard to Its Factory Default Settings at the top of the right hand column on Page E-8 of the manual. Be advised that any user data or settings that you have stored on the keyboard will also be erased. If that does not resolve the problem, note as you play along with your MIDI files, does this happen with any of the files or just certain ones? If it happens with just certain files, then those files may be defective. if it happens with all files and can not be resolved with a factory reset, you may need to return the keyboard for a replacement, but first we would need to know where you obtained the MIDI files from, so that we can determine if they are from a reliable source. If you are talking about the LK-280's built-in songs, and a factory reset does not resolve the problem, then it will most likely need to be returned. - T -

Jokeyman I was able to find several fairly decent demo videos of the CTK-5000 on YouTube, and as you predicted, its sound quality seems to be more on par with that of the CTK/WK-6XXX/7XXX models, with their AHL sound engines, than that of the ZPI engines of the WK-3XXX models. Since I am not able to really tie down the release dates of all these different models, I can not tell for certain if the CTK-5000 is an early precursor to the CTK-6000 or a contemporary economy version of it, but the answer may lie in the video for the third link I provide below. That is the demo that covers the CTK-3000/4000/5000 and the WK-500. In that video, the CTK-3000 and 4000 are labeled "Standard Series" models, while the CTK-5000 and WK-500 are labeled "High Grade Series" models. I think Casio started the "High Grade Series" labeling with the CTK/WK-6XXX/7XXX models, so I would say that that makes the CTK-5000 and WK-500 contemporary economy versions of the CTK-6000 and WK-6500 models, respectively. So, if you can find a CTK-5000, you are getting an economy version of the CTK-6000 - that is to say - fewer features, but still with the higher quality AHL sound engine. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wK0wDP_eMeA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=436CLG5w2nA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFw5GZJA2d4 - T -

Jokeyman It is quite interesting that I can not find a copyright date, of any sort, on the manuals for either the CTK-5000, or my WK-3800. It is like Casio goes out of its way to avoid publicly dating its equipment, but then, to a certain extent, that avoids the "Do I buy now or wait for the newer models?" games that us consumers like to play. Plus it also allows reuse or repurposing of earlier components (sound engines, etc) on current lower priced models, without it being too obvious to the more discerning buyer or reviewer. So, let's see if we can comparatively date these two models 'sideways - sort of". I bought my WK-3800 in late November or early December of 2006. The nice youg lady who sold it to me said they had just gotten it in for the holiday sales season just a week or two earlier. That means the WK-3300/3800/8000 model line was probaby released some time during the second half of 2006 - possibly for Summer NAMM. Now, the SD Card reader in the WK-3800 is limited to 1 Gb max, while the one in the CTK-5000 is limited to 2 Gb max, so the CTK-5000 is probably at least one model release (generation) newer than the WK-3800. Even so, I think the AHL sound engine of the CTK-5000 is still a step or two down from the ZPI engine of the WK-3300/3800/8000, in order to control the price point of a lower priced model. B U T . . . as we are talking about the WK-3800 . . . I have been downloading and trying your PX-560 "CKF" Rhythm creations on my WK-3800. It does not surprise me, at all, that they "work". As a matter of fact, it would have really surprised me if they had not worked. After all, a CKF Rhythm is a CKF Rhythm, but what did surprise me is the fact that most of them work perfectly well with no apparent need for "tweaking" (voice/tone substitutions) to sound correctly. This might indicate that the Casio Rhythm engines draw most or all of their tones from the GM voice bank set, that are on all Casio arranger models, rather than from the higher quality "panel" voice banks. This helps keep Rhythms compatible over several model releases. I bring this up so that any owners of the older models, who might be interested in your creations, should be able to use most of them "as is". They should also be useable in any of the newer "AC7" Rhythm boards, but if the Rhythm engines DO use any of the higher quality panel voice banks, the AC7 models may require more voice "tweaking". to sound acceptable. I do get the occasional police whistle or barking dog in some of the drum kits. These I will try to correct with Antonio's STY to CKF converter program, which he claims can be used to edit voices and other parameters in existing CKF Rhythm. This is the program that Vincianne (Vbdx66) has been having problems with. She says she does not get the correct screen when she brings it up in edit mode. This will give me a chance to take a look at it, and see if I get the same thing. As for your creations, your efforts are commendable, and your skills are obviously improving. Many thanks for breathing new life into my tired old WK-3800. - T -

WOW ! ! ! Many thanks for the info on this, Vinciane ! It sounds like you are now down to just deciding which app's user interface best suits your needs. I would say that I would give it a try, but I have an old iPad-3 that I was never able to update beyond iOS 6.3 to keep it compatible with my Akai Synthstation-49. Akai never updated their firmware to stay current with iOS, and I really can not afford to lose use of it. I am sure that KeyStage would require a later iOS than I have. I will watch the videos, though, but as I am on a very limited "business hours" bandwidth satellite system (even on weekends), I have to save all of my video business for 2AM to 8AM. That is OK, as I have plenty to keep me busy this afternoon. My beloved HP Windows-7 laptop gave up the ghost several days ago, so I have repurposed an old Compaq Windows XP laptop to fill-in until I can decide on a new Win-10 system. I need to get the USB driver and IDES-4 Data Manager for my old WK-3800 installed on this XP system, and see if they will talk to each other. This KeyStage system sounds like it would come in very handy for those otherwise unmentionable (here, at least) "E" Series boards. Hmmm! Maybe instead of a new laptop, I need a new iPad ! ! ! - T -

Before investing in Cubasis, you might want to just download/install one of the free MIDI Controller apps for iOS and use it to send CC7 values on the three MIDI channels for the UPPER1, UPPER2, and LOWER Parts to see if the CT-X800 responds accordingly. I take it from your earlier comments that you no longer have a PC or laptop for doing this. If you do still have a PC or laptop, you can send CC7 values from Anvil Studio or MIDI-OX to test the CT-X800's response to incoming CC7 messages. According to the CT-X800's MIDI Implementation Chart, it should work for you, but always best to test first before investing.

There are iOS apps for doing this with various keyboards. You would need to consult the MIDI Implementation Charts for the WK-7500 and WK-3800 to see what Control Change (CC) codes they support to allow you to control the functions that you want to control. You may also need to resort to System Exclusive (Sysex) messages to control any items that do not have an available CC Code. You might also want to go through the Casio iPad and iPhone Apps subforum to see what info might be available there: http://www.casiomusicforums.com/index.php?/forum/36-casio-ipad-iphone-apps/ Bear in mind that if you come up with something that would work with your keyboards, it would be completely separate from the keyboards' onboard Registrations. That is, your program would be completely stand alone. It would not work through or control the keyboards' onboard Registrations. Rather, it would directly control the functions you list, itself.

The WK-8000 does not support audio files of any kind, and it has no audio inputs of any kind. On the rear panel are left and right line level outputs. a connection for a sustain pedal, a 12 volt power adapter input, a USB "To Host" connection for connecting to a computer, and an SD Card slot for a 1 Gb (max) SD memory card (larger cards will not work). As for the USB connection, the WK-8000 is not Class Compliant, so it will not work with the generic drivers that are built into Windows and MAC-OS. You would need to download and install the special Casio proprietary driver from the Casio website: https://support.casio.com/en/support/download.php?cid=008&pid=20 Go to: Digital Keyboards/ Pianos/ Key Lighting Digital Piano PL-40R for 64 bit Windows or: Digital Keyboards/ Pianos (excluding PL-40R) Version 1.2 for 32 bit Windows There is no MAC-OS version of these drivers. The 64 bit version works for 64 bit Vista, as well, if you need it. Casio denies this, but they never did understand Vista. I've had it working on my 64 bit Vista system for my WK-3800 since it was released. From the questions you are asking, you obviously need a manual. You can download it from: https://support.casio.com/pdf/008/WK3300_e.pdf It covers the WK-3300, the WK-3800, and the WK-8000. Once you have it connected to a computer, you can play MIDI files to it from the computer using a MIDI file player software program or a sequencer/DAW software program.

You are trying to identify a problem where no problem exists. There should be absolutely no need for a converter program for CKF, Z00, and AC7 Rhythm files. The CT-X models support (will use) all three of these Rhythm file formats without conversion, as did their predecessors, the CTK/WK-6XXX/7XXX models. As a matter of fact, when a CKF/Z00 file from older models is loaded into an AC7 compatible model, the keyboard's operating system converts the CKF/Z00 file to an AC7 format. That is to say that if, at some point in the future, you export that file back to a PC, it comes back as an AC7 file - not as a CKF/Z00 file. So, the keyboard itself makes a permanent conversion. There are very early CKF models whose Rhythm files can not be loaded into later CKF/Z00 models or AC7 models, but these units were marketed well prior to the year 2000, so there is not much chance that you would run into one of those files. There never was any program to convert them for use in any of the later CKF/Z00/AC7 models. Now, as with use of older rhythm files in newer models of any arranger keyboards (Casio, Yamaha, etc.), if the older file uses a tone that is no longer on the newer models, then that rhythm file may/will need to be revoiced somewhat to sound correctly on the newer model, but this is the job of the rhythm file editor on the newer model - not a format converter algorithm. On the previous CTK/WK-6XXX/7XXX models, the lower price CTK/WK-6XXX models did not have a sophisticated enough rhythm file editor to do this. I am assuming that this has carried over into the CT-X700/800 vs CT-X3000/5000 models, but before we start complaining, we must realize that we can not hold the manufacturer responsible for the "champagne tastes on a beer budget" choices we make. If the lower priced models contained all the hugher priced model features we want, then that lower priced model would need to also sell at the higher price. As for the converter program discussed in this thread, the algorithm goes looking for Yamaha Style parts and converts them into Casio Rhythm parts and compiles them into a complete Casio Rhythm file. If you apply a Casio Rhythm file to its input, it would not know what to do with it, as it would not "see" the Yamaha Style parts that it is looking for. Here again, this algorithm's job is to convert file formats, not to do revoicings. In order to do revoicings, it would need to have all the tone lists for all the models it supports embedded within it. That would be quite a sizeable program, indeed. Besides, this algorithm was written well before the AC7 file format was even a twinkling in Casio design engineering's eyes - and it was for converting Yamaha STY format to Casio CFK format - not CKF to AC7 or CKF to CKF or AC7 to AC7 - none of which is needed - as discussed above.

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The "From the top" feature of the LK-280's LESSONS is a function of the keyboard's operating system, and is not changeable. That is, the LK-280 is not capable of what you want to do.

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Just don't turn the Auto-accompaniment on. That is: DO NOT PRESS THE ACCOMP BUTTON. (OR: If Auto-accompaniment is already ON, press the ACCOMP button to turn it OFF) In this mode, whatever tone you select per the instructions on Page 14 of the LK-280 manual, will be spread across the entire keyboard.

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Jeff Registrations are not limited to "parts" or "tones" or "rhythms", etc. ALL Registrations are GLOBAL. That is, when you create (save) a Registration, you are pretty much saving the current global set up of the entire keyboard into it. If you have a Registration that includes tranposition information, but the transpose is lost when you switch to a different Registration, it just means that the keyboard was not transposed when the Registration you are switching to was saved. You just need to switch to that Registration, transpose the keyboard, and then resave that Registration to its same Bank and Registration number. Refer to the Parameter List near the back of your keyboard's manual. It lists the various parameters that are include in the keyboard's various "save" functions. Column 2 of this list is for Registrations. Any item with a circle in Column 2 is "saved" as part of a registration. That is to say: ALL items with a circle in Column 2 are saved into a Registration when it is created or updated.

Yes! The Casio CTK/WK-7XXX keyboard models DO offer an onboard Rotary speaker (Leslie emulation) feature. Many of the keyboard's Pre-set Drawbar Organ tones contain the Rotary feature by default, but the Rotary feature is actually just one of the effects in the keyboard's DSP Effects library, so it can be inserted into any of the tones. With the keyboard's DSP Effects editor, you can vary the rotary FAST and SLOW speeds, as well as the Rotary Accelleration (How fast it speeds up and slows down when switched between speeds). Real-time control of Rotary speed is exclusively under control of the ROTARY SLOW/FAST button at the left end of the keyboard - it is NOT assignable to the SUSTAIN/ASSIGN pedal. However, for all its sophistication, the Rotary feature does have a major failing for which I was never able to find a realistic workaround. While the ROTARY SLOW/FAST button defaults to exactly that, with the DSP Effects editor, you can reassign it to act as a ROTARY ON/OFF button, but apparently it never occurred to the Casio design engineers that you might need both an ON/OFF and a SLOW/FAST control. If you are using that button as its default SLOW/FAST function, but also want a means of turning Rotary completely off, you need to bring the DSP editor up to its DSP ON/OFF display page before starting your performance, so that you can use the overall DSP ON/OFF function to turn Rotary on and off. First of all, I have never been comfortable having any kind of editor display page up and on screen and active during a performance. That always seemed like an open invitation to absolute disaster, but if you do use that for this workaround, then there is no realistic slow down or speed up as you turn DSP off and on. You just go from full speed to off or from off to full speed. I always found that a bit disconcerting. I was able to get away from having an editor function active during a performance by setting up a DSP-ON Registration and a DSP-OFF Registration and turning Rotary on and off by switching Registrations, but that still left me with the immediate on/off with no realistic speed-up/slow-down and added the problem that if I did not time my Registration switch exactly right, I would get a major glitch in the audio during the switch.

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See the right hand column of Page E-47 of the manual: "Adjusting Accompaniment and Song Bank Volume" If you need a copy of the manual, you can download it from here: https://support.casio.com/manualfile.php?rgn=1&cid=008011001

What Gunarl described in his last post IS the procedure for re-installing a USB Root Hub after it has been blown away by a Windows 10 update ! ! !

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