Transfer of rhythms from MZ2000 to CDP230-R

[Elaine]

I have owned a casio MZ2000 since 2001 and it has been going really well, but now some of the tones are disappearing,  or vibrating, so as a backup I have just bought a Casio digital piano CDP230-R  and just going through all the tones/rhythms etc.

I have noticed that a couple of the rhythms which I use a lot  are not on the new digital piano options so is there any  way I can transfer  the “Oldies Shuffle”  and any of the “Tango” rhythms from the MZ2000  onto the digital piano? 

Also they have supplied an appendix with all the Tones, on one side of an A3 page, and each of the columns has four segments

 Number        Tone name                 Program change     Bank Select MSB.
   034              Harpsichord 3                            6                          3

Can anyone tell me how these numbers 6  and 3  can be accessed on the keyboard please?

 I have been through the manual and cannot find any mention of a Bank Select MSB,  or a program change, so I have lost the plot here obviously.

[Brad Saucier]

Hi Elaine.  Are your tones disappearing from memory?  What does it mean when you say they are vibrating? The MZ-2000 has a battery that powers the memory while the unit is unplugged. It can start to get weak or fail after time. The battery can sometimes be recharged by leaving the keyboard plugged in for about a week or so.  I've had luck with that.  Give it a try. 

 

Program change and bank select MSB are for MIDI use.  If the keyboard is connected to other gear via MIDI, other gear can recall that tone using those settings.  

 

As far as loading MZ-2000 rhythms into any other Casio product, that is not possible.  The files are not compatible.   

[Elaine]

G'day Brad Mz

Brilliant,  many thanks indeed for that reply,  just what I needed to know about the rhythms and the program change and MSB bank.  I have spent hours re-typing them into an Excel spreadsheet, as I found great difficulty reading the tiny blue print on the appendix, and now see that I do not need them, as I am not connecting the CDP to a midi device.

 

But with the  tones on the MZ2000  the strings settings  particularly on the  C  note vibrate  which did not happen before.  But I did not know about the battery, so is there any way I can access that battery and replace it, as it would be just great if I could get it back .  I did have the speakers repaired about 7 years ago, so maybe the vibration is coming from the speakers somehow?   I really like this keyboard and feel that it has been  good value, as it is played most days  and on Sundays for about 4 hours, so over the 14 years or so I have had it, I feel this is a good advertisement for an electronic thingummy!

Appreciate your help.

thanks again

Elaine

[Brad Saucier]

Unfortunately the battery is not designed to be replaced by the user.  It is buried deep inside of the keyboard and soldered to a circuit board.  It's also a special order coin cell type battery as well.  Sending the keyboard to an authorized Casio repair center is recommended for battery replacement.  As I mentioned, try leaving it plugged in for a week or so.  I had luck with mine as it seems to recharge the battery.  

[Elaine]

Oh that's a pity.  Unfortunately we do not have a Casio repair centre now, although we had one those years ago when I had the speakers repaird. It seems the consumer culture is the thing -  chuck it away and buy new.... but i don't want to do that if I can get around it,  so I will try that suggestion of leaving it on.  Normally I turn it off at the wall as well as on the machine.

 

The problem with the missing tones, is that one of the registrations, which I used a LOT, no longer plays the accompaniment, so I have had to fiddle around to get an alternative for that particular registration, but because that has happened, I thought it might be the precursor to the keyboard failing in other registrations too.  This is really why I bought the digital piano, as it also has a lot of the pre-set sounds and rhythms of the MZ2000, so I can get used to it,  although I am not a pianist, and find the touch not as easy as the keyboard. No doubt I will get used to it, if I persevere?

 

 

I really appreciate your taking the trouble to reply. 

[Brad Saucier]

Sorry for the confusion. You don't have to leave it turned on.  You can turn off, but leave the power cord plugged in.  

[Elaine]

Thanks for that,  I will do that  and hope it gives the boost it needs

Cheers

 

[CYBERYOGI =CO=Windler]

Can a digital preset really "burn out" from being used too often? This type of bitrot sounds quite unlikely in modern CPU controlled hardware. I know that flash memory can wear out when the same memory cells (addresses) are written (not read) over and over again. That's why SSD harddrives use the infamous "wear levelling" feature (that instead wears down the entire chip evenly and make you basically loose all data instead of only one file by a voltage surge in the wrong moment). Unless the keyboard rewrites every accessed preset into flash memory, this makes no sense. But a dead or empty battery would be a plausible cause for very strange and crazy bugs.

E.g. my much older Yamaha MK-100 makes bugs those can be absurdly confusing if you don't know what's going on. That is to say, the MK-100 stores all settings in battery backed up RAM; with no batteries inserted the RAM is backed up by a large electrolytic capacitor for a few days(?). When the cap runs empty, this messes up the data badly and even causes things to subtly malfunction those normally were expected not to be RAM dependant. E.g. sometimes particular preset sounds plays too silent or certain parts of them refuse to be editable, or their LEDs show mess or sustain doesn't work or even the chord volume slide switch refuses to change volume at some positions (e.g. only 2 of the 5 positions have different volume). These flaws can drive you crazy and make you take the entire thing apart for hours to successlessly search for dirty switches etc. etc. and even in the manual I downloaded from Yamaha there is no reset procedure for this keyboard explained to prevent this. (In manuals of later Yamaha PortaSounds with battery backed up RAM stands usually that certain simultaneous button presses reset the thing.)

Replacing a soldered button cell very likely needs no Casio keyboard specialist at all, but only a sufficiently skilled ordinary TV repairman. The MZ-2000 service manual is at Elektrotanya.