bitshifted Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 I see there are older (more expensive) models that have Key Off Simulator. This is a newer piano, but omits this feature. Can anybody tell me whether it's been superseded and now just part of the sound (I think it should be?), or it's still a premium feature only for more expensive models. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Tompkins Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 @bitshiftedBoth the PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 have adjustable key-on noise, key-off noise, damper noise, damper resonance, and string resonance for the acoustic piano tones. You can adjust each of these to 4 different levels or turn them off as you wish. Search the manual for "key off." 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitshifted Posted July 13, 2020 Author Share Posted July 13, 2020 Thanks Rod. Yes I see these, but Key Off Simulator controls the natural decay of the sound. The other key on/off features are mechanical simulations I think. Edit: It's described here: https://www.casio-intl.com/asia/en/emi/privia/info/ Wonder if this document is old? Would like to know if they have incorporated that into the sound, which is why it's omitted as a feature from newer models. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Tompkins Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 Are you referring to adjusting the decay time of the notes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitshifted Posted July 13, 2020 Author Share Posted July 13, 2020 Yes. I think in Roland's SuperNATURAL engine they call it natural decay, and it's always on. Which makes complete sense. I don't understand why 'sounding more like an actual piano' would be a feature, when that's kind-of the core goal of a digital piano, no? I can understand why they wouldn't include by default certain mechanical noises or even string resonance (although personally I think that's great). This makes me wonder why this particular feature has been dropped on later models. I'm assuming they incorporated it into the sound. If not, terrible business practice. 😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Saucier Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 The PX-S series has key off response. https://www.casio-intl.com/asia/en/emi/products/pxs3000/ https://www.casio-intl.com/asia/en/emi/products/pxs1000/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler Holloway Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 @bitshifted Natural decay is indeed built into the AiR sound engine. Casio calls it "multi-dimensional morphing" but it is the same concept you'll see on the Roland. The PX-S models have the second most advanced implementation of AiR to date, second only to the Grand Hybrids and debatably the PX-870. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitshifted Posted July 13, 2020 Author Share Posted July 13, 2020 Thanks for the replies. @Brad Saucier Key off response is for note repetition? @Chandler Holloway I don't think this is key-off decay either, as their grand hybrid mentions both the multi-dimensional morphing and key-off simulator as seperate sound features. The former part of the sound, the latter an optional setting. https://music.casio.com/en/products/digital_pianos/ghs/technology/ The morphing seems to be about key-on, whereas decay; key-off. Key-Off Simulator: "Expresses differences in tone reverberation depending on the speed of key release" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitshifted Posted July 13, 2020 Author Share Posted July 13, 2020 In any case, I'll have my answer the next time they drop a more expensive model. Seems to me this 'feature' would round out the sound and make it more pleasing or blended (when playing softly), should not be a separate feature, in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anotherscott Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 The feature is nicely demonstrated at the 3:23 point in this video... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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