Dan Astro Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 can I use a usb/midi adaptor chord to send the midi in data to the s3000? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanB Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 You can't do it that way unfortunately. Casio's choice to put USB on all their keyboards means they have to be connected by USB to something which will act as a "USB host"; a computer, tablet etc. A normal USB/MIDI adaptor cord (see below) won't work, you'll find it has the wrong type of USB plug on it, designed for a computer USB out rather than a device USB in. You can get a standalone host unit which will act as if it's a computer e.g. this one https://miditech.de/en/portfolio/usb-midi-host/ Alternatively you can connect to a PC etc with a normal USB cable, then use a USB to MIDI converter also plugged into the PC to connect to your MIDI synth's normal MIDI (5 pin DIN) connectors. Do however beware of cheap generic USB/MIDI adaptors which do not work properly (they do not transmit all MIDI messages) and they are also not electronically correct and can allow damage to devices (they do not contain an opto-isolator as per the MIDI specification). There are many like these on Amazon, all based on the same "bad circuit" and you should avoid them- https://www.amazon.co.uk/OTraki-Interface-Premium-Converter-Keyboard/dp/B07KYDP3GK/ref=sr_1_5?crid=HZ8T0SDZDI5A&keywords=usb%2Bmidi&qid=1657866220&sprefix=usb%2Bmidi%2Caps%2C94&sr=8-5&th=1 Look for a good name brand like Roland, MidiSport or Behringer. The Roland UM-ONE is a "cord" solution and works well. I've got one in use on my PC as I type this. But as I said, this is to interface to a PC, it won't work standalone. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Roland-UM-ONE-mk2-MIDI-Interface/dp/B00967UN50/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Astro Posted July 15, 2022 Author Share Posted July 15, 2022 1 hour ago, IanB said: You can't do it that way unfortunately. Casio's choice to put USB on all their keyboards means they have to be connected by USB to something which will act as a "USB host"; a computer, tablet etc. A normal USB/MIDI adaptor cord (see below) won't work, you'll find it has the wrong type of USB plug on it, designed for a computer USB out rather than a device USB in. You can get a standalone host unit which will act as if it's a computer e.g. this one https://miditech.de/en/portfolio/usb-midi-host/ Alternatively you can connect to a PC etc with a normal USB cable, then use a USB to MIDI converter also plugged into the PC to connect to your MIDI synth's normal MIDI (5 pin DIN) connectors. Do however beware of cheap generic USB/MIDI adaptors which do not work properly (they do not transmit all MIDI messages) and they are also not electronically correct and can allow damage to devices (they do not contain an opto-isolator as per the MIDI specification). There are many like these on Amazon, all based on the same "bad circuit" and you should avoid them- https://www.amazon.co.uk/OTraki-Interface-Premium-Converter-Keyboard/dp/B07KYDP3GK/ref=sr_1_5?crid=HZ8T0SDZDI5A&keywords=usb%2Bmidi&qid=1657866220&sprefix=usb%2Bmidi%2Caps%2C94&sr=8-5&th=1 Look for a good name brand like Roland, MidiSport or Behringer. The Roland UM-ONE is a "cord" solution and works well. I've got one in use on my PC as I type this. But as I said, this is to interface to a PC, it won't work standalone. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Roland-UM-ONE-mk2-MIDI-Interface/dp/B00967UN50/ many thanks for taking the time to give me the total explanation and links to solutions ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanB Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 No problem Dan, any more questions just ask! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Astro Posted July 15, 2022 Author Share Posted July 15, 2022 (edited) Thanks again Edited July 16, 2022 by Dan Astro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Saucier Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 A host device is always required. It's a software issue, not hardware. USB adapters like that will not work. The square port is the MIDI capable port. That is a USB type B port. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanB Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 It's important to understand what a host is. USB is a master/slave protocol in which the host is the master and the device is the slave; bear in mind it was originally for connecting things like keyboards and mice to PCs. The host contains most of the brains and controls the communications; the device (slave) only has enough brains to send back simple replies. When you plug in a device, an initial "handshake" is initiated by the host in which it asks the device what it is, and the device reports back, "I am a mouse" or "I am a controller keyboard". The host then sets up a suitable messaging protocol so it can receive information about mouse movements or button clicks, or MIDI-type musical information. So it's a very active means of communication and the host entirely manages that. This is why USB cables have a different plug on each end, so that you can only plug a host in at one end and a device in at the other. If you did use a simple connector adaptor to make an "illegal" connection, it would be like plugging a mouse into a keyboard and expecting them to talk directly with each other. They can't; neither of them knows anything about the other. It's just not how the system works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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