vegetarianninja Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 (edited) Something is holding me back from realising my hopes with this fine keyboard. I'm here... 1. I can record .WAV audio to a plugged in USB stick. And it saves fine in D:\MUSICDAT as a "Take##.WAV" file. Perfect. But I am getting nowhere with saving my recording as a plain simple .mid file. I need to do this so I can a) import to a midi editor b) adjust some velocity imbalances. The intention is then to play back the edited .mid on the keyboard. I've followed the manual as best as I can, but I get to a step which says, press Function G1 to save .MID, or Ab1 to save .MRF. When I press function G1 then C1, nothing is saving. there is no LED activity on the keyboard neither. If I press Function Ab1 then I get LED activity, and an .MRF is saved to song #71. I can switch off the keyboard, switch back on, plug in the USB and successfully playback the .MRF file by loading in Song #71. But why can I not save a plain .MID file? Please breakdown the steps, because I have followed the manual as diligently as I can, and I am not succeeding. Can someone walk me through a simple example process of how to record .MID directly to the USB please? Edited January 26 by Brad Saucier Added model number to title of thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Saucier Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 It sounds like you have successfully used the audio recorder, which records directly to USB. To record MIDI, you must use the MIDI recorder first, which records to internal keyboard memory first. These songs are not stored on the USB drive yet. After a recording is finished, the steps to save recordings to USB as a SMF should be used if the goal is to edit on a computer. MRF is a MIDI format only compatible with the keyboard itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegetarianninja Posted July 1, 2023 Author Share Posted July 1, 2023 (edited) 17 hours ago, Brad Saucier said: After a recording is finished, the steps to save recordings to USB as a SMF should be used if the goal is to edit on a computer. This is what I cannot get to work. I record a "sample", and it saves to the keyboard's internal memory. I'm confident there, because if I press <play> on the keyboard, my sample plays back. But the steps to save this sample as .mid to USB (as per the manual) are not working for me. 1. As per the user guide (PXS1100_usersguide_EN.pdf) p.28, I have prepared my keyboard to use as a MIDI recorder by Function + F6. 2. I make my recording. It is saved to internal memory. If I press play, it plays back. 3. Then as per p.37. my USB is inserted. I hold down Function + Ab1, then C1 . This successfully saves RECSONG.MRF file to the "RECORDER" folder in "MUSICDAT". BUT, if I use Function + G1, then C1, nothing is saved. This same step in the manual suggests that Function+G1 will save .MID (SMF), and Function+Ab1 will save .MRF However for me, only the MRF save works. The .MID save does not work. Any suggestions on what I am doing wrong? It just seems really odd to me that I'm following the steps on p.37 and the .MRF save works, but the .MID doesn't. It feels like a bug? Edited July 1, 2023 by vegetarianninja I have switched “G1” and “Ab1” to correctly identify the issue I am facing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Saucier Posted July 1, 2023 Share Posted July 1, 2023 4 hours ago, vegetarianninja said: This same page in the manual suggest that Function+G1 will save .MRF, and Function+Ab1 will save .MID (SMF) According to my copy of the manual, these keys are reversed from what you have described. Could that be it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegetarianninja Posted July 1, 2023 Author Share Posted July 1, 2023 Ah sorry I swapped the key presses in my last post. I have since edited. but the problem stands. Your screenshot of the manual helps 👍🏽. The problem specifically is step 4. Pressing Ab1 “causes the sound mode to flash…” , and then C1 results in a saved .mrf file on the USB. That works fine. But pressing G1 does not “cause the sound mode to flash”. It just gives a single beep response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Saucier Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 I can't spot any other issue in anything you've mentioned so far. Have you checked the contents of your USB drive on a computer? Confirm the MUSICDAT folder is present and has files in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegetarianninja Posted July 2, 2023 Author Share Posted July 2, 2023 Indeed. The USB read from my PC looks fine. I see MUSICDAT. in that folder I have a bunch of "TAKE##.WAV" files which are my audio recordings. I also have folders 61 to 70 (all empty) and folder "RECORDER". Inside the "RECORDER" folder I see my "recsong.mrf" file. Further I can put the USB back in to my keyboard and play song #71, and it plays back the .MRF file fine. I really appreciate your help BTW. To me if really feels like a software bug. I cannot understand why it will write the .MRF exactly as expected and instructed, but will not write a .MID. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Saucier Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 I'd like to see someone with a PX-S1000 or 1100 visit this thread and help with input on this subject. In the meantime, you may find it is much easier to connect a USB cable to your computer and record MIDI tracks directly into DAW software instead of the internal recorder, since the keyboard works great as a class compliant USB MIDI controller. The only trick to remember is, start recording a track before selecting the tone on the keyboard, so the track can record your tone selection as well as notes. This so the keyboard knows which tone to use on playback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegetarianninja Posted July 3, 2023 Author Share Posted July 3, 2023 (edited) I’ll contact Support and post back anything that comes from it. i have another midi controller to connect to the DAW. I actually video myself playing, showing the keyboard unit itself, so wanted to avoid a USB cable running off in to my PC. I know it stinks of vanity but I make videos and this keyboard is particularly attractive! Which is why writing .mid to mini-USB would have been perfect for a more minimalist look. Thanks for the suggestion however… I’ll post back if I get hold of Support. Edited July 3, 2023 by vegetarianninja Typo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solution vegetarianninja Posted August 1, 2023 Author Solution Share Posted August 1, 2023 Casio support were really helpful. And reading back through the earlier replies, I now see Brad was right, and I was not following the manual accurately enough. posting back anyway in case anyone else finds this reminder useful. it is vital to record the song first, before even selecting any folder. So first make a recording (in midi mode of course) THEN select the folder. If you select the folder first THEN record, it will always revert back to folder 71, in which .mid files cannot be saved. as long as you record AND THEN select folder and continue the process as per manual, it works just fine. Slightly embarrassed posting this to basically acknowledge the manual is correct, but just in case anybody makes the same erroneous step that I did, this might just help. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjw314 Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 Thanks for posting this! It’s not just you. I think the instructions aren’t super clear, as I had exactly the same issue and only figured it out with this post. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
help Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 I still feel really stupid because I just do not get it. Would it be possible for you to write a really simple step-by-step process on how to record an audio in the midi format? I've been re-reading the manual for hours but I don't get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
help Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 On 8/2/2023 at 3:42 AM, vegetarianninja said: Casio support were really helpful. And reading back through the earlier replies, I now see Brad was right, and I was not following the manual accurately enough. posting back anyway in case anyone else finds this reminder useful. it is vital to record the song first, before even selecting any folder. So first make a recording (in midi mode of course) THEN select the folder. If you select the folder first THEN record, it will always revert back to folder 71, in which .mid files cannot be saved. as long as you record AND THEN select folder and continue the process as per manual, it works just fine. Slightly embarrassed posting this to basically acknowledge the manual is correct, but just in case anybody makes the same erroneous step that I did, this might just help. Please please please if you're able to, I've been trying to follow this thread and the manual for over 2 hours now and I still cannot figure out how to save as MIDI into the USB flash drive. Please if you were to be so kind could you write it out step by step from the moment you plug in the USB? I can't find tutorials about this on youtube either and it's driving me crazy. I feel really stupid but I really need the help too. I would really appreciate it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Saucier Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 First step is to confirm you have successfully recorded a song with the MIDI recorder. Do this by playing back your recording without a USB flash drive attached to your keyboard. If you hear your song playback this way, you are ready for the next step. This confirms your MIDI recording is stored in keyboard memory and ready to be saved to a USB flash drive. Can you post a video of where you have issues? It would be much easier for us to see exactly where you are missing a step. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
help Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 On 1/26/2024 at 11:46 PM, Brad Saucier said: First step is to confirm you have successfully recorded a song with the MIDI recorder. Do this by playing back your recording without a USB flash drive attached to your keyboard. If you hear your song playback this way, you are ready for the next step. This confirms your MIDI recording is stored in keyboard memory and ready to be saved to a USB flash drive. Can you post a video of where you have issues? It would be much easier for us to see exactly where you are missing a step. It's hard to post a video . So is it alright if I broke down what I do step-by-step? switch on piano mount already formatted usb flash drive (it can usually store straight audio recordings just fine) hold function + f6 (enter midi mode) hold down play/stop + f1♯ and c1♯ (select folder 61) record play stop recording playback (plays it back to me to ensure it was recorded) hold function + g1 (save as mid file)* + c1 (save)** No recordings found in folder 61. In fact, no recording is saved at all. *However, the led does not flash to indicate a save standby. **Apparently this starts the save operation, but the leds do not light sequentially from left to right, they simply make a single beep sound as I hit the keys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Saucier Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 You are combining steps from two different processes (recording a MIDI song + exporting to USB) into one. That is not correct. To clarify how the system works, the built in Audio and MIDI recorders behave differently. Audio records directly to USB flash drive. MIDI is recorded directly to internal keyboard memory. You will never need to specify a USB folder during the MIDI recording process. You do not need to mount a USB flash drive to record MIDI. I would not mount a USB flash drive until you are familiar with the MIDI recording process. Step 1. Create a MIDI recording. Play it back to make sure it is what you wanted to record. This will confirm it is stored in keyboard memory. Stop playback. Step 2. Insert a USB flash drive. Step 3. Enable MIDI mode by holding FUNCTION and pressing F6. Step 4. Input the user song number you wish to export by holding the start/stop button and pressing the number keys. Hint: 61 through 70, see the attached screenshot of the user manual for details. Step 5. Specify song export format as SMF and execute by holding the function button and pressing the sequence G1 followed by C. The sound mode lamp will flash and then illuminate sequentially during this process. Lamps will go dark when complete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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