Muse box + PX-5s problems

[Hugh O Kelly]

I'm using a Muse box + PX-5s 

getting way out of tune problems

 

Does anybody have the same problems  ?

 

Muse box works perfectly with a hammond as a controller 

 

 

[Display Name]

You mean the Muse Box is having it's master tuning changed when it is connected to the PX-5S? This is strange. Any more info you can share? Does it happen with certain Stage Settings or during a certain operation? 

If all else fails...

[Hugh O Kelly]

I used to be a piano tuner

 

It happens on the brass and the accordion programs in the muse box

 

So I changed the stage settings on the PX -5s thinking I must be sending out midi messages but the muse box just looses pitch

 

Ironically since you produced the tuning hammer you can't tune the muse box.And lots of their samples are out but the brass,bass and synth sounds I like

 

 

Did you know Scott that all tuning is out of tune.True.

[Joe Muscara]

Is it possible that the Muse box is thinking it's getting some pitch bend messages? I would want to know what MIDI data is being sent to the Muse box, and if the PX-5S sounded okay by itself (internal sounds).

[Hugh O Kelly]

Thanks Joe,

 

My brain was in the same place as yours

Hence I called up different programs from the casio hoping that by having a simple program like piano with not many fx on it that it would not change the pitch

perhaps I should see if I can limit midi messages from the muse box  !

 

I'll try that

I was rather hoping that a PS-5 x user had the same problem and could a shine a little light on the subject

[Joe Muscara]

Can you connect the PX-5S to a computer and see what MIDI messages it's transmitting?

 

Also, listen to the PX-5S itself and hear what it sounds like. If the pitch is off there, then the "wrong" pitches are coming from the PX-5S.

[Mike Martin]

Turn high resolution MIDI off in the system settings of the PX-5S. It's possible that what ever you're using for the accordion on your MUse has a tuning parameter set to CC88

[Hugh O Kelly]

Thank you Mike Martin EXPERT

 

It solved the problem instantly

  

Your the man    

[Hugh O Kelly]

What is  high resolution MIDI ?

and what is it used for ?

[Joe Muscara]

MIDI normally transmits 0-127 steps for velocity sensitivity. High resolution MIDI increases that to over 32000 steps. So, for apps or sounds that respond to it, it should give you much finer and more realistic control in your playing.

 

In order to do this, the additional data is transmitted at CC88. This is a relatively new spec in MIDI, and some devices use CC88 for another parameter. When they do, devices that use CC88 for high resolution MIDI like the PX-5S can confuse the other device (and their users). This parameter is on be default in the PX-5S. If you're not using it and it's causing problems, simply turn it off.

 

Off the top of my head, the only software I know of that responds to high resolution MIDI is Pianoteq, but I think there are others I am forgetting.

[Hugh O Kelly]

Thanks Joe,

So should the PX-s then default on High res. to  'off' then.

 

 

There was another funny effect when you used the delay slider but you can disable from the musebox 

[Display Name]

Thanks Joe,

So should the PX-s then default on High res. to  'off' then.

 

 

Yes - turn that hi-res off if it is causing problems with outboard gear.

[Shaunaflynn]

On 12/23/2013 at 7:45 AM, Hugh O Kelly said:

I used to be a piano tuner

 

It happens on the brass and the accordion programs in the muse box

 

So I changed the stage settings on the PX -5s thinking I must be sending out midi messages but the muse box just looses pitch

 

Ironically since you produced the tuning hammer you can't tune the muse box.And lots of their samples are out but the brass,bass and synth sounds I like

 

 

Did you know Scott that all tuning is out of tune.True.

That's fascinating about your background as a piano tuner. It sounds like you're dealing with some interesting challenges on the Muse Box.