Rick Stirling Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 Just noticed something strange with HEX Layer sounds. If I load a HEX Layer sound like #1010 StairwyRecdr it sounds like a single flute. If I then edit it and go to the LAYERS control and toggle each layer (select a different WAV then select the original) I hear an entirely different sound. I have V 1.31, didn't check this with earlier versions as I've only used 1.31. Here's an example. #1010 StairwyRecdr after powering up 1010_StairwyRecdr.mp3 Edited by toggling the layer wavs only .StairwyRecdr_ReProg.mp3 The #1010 sounds like only layer 1 is playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Stirling Posted August 30, 2016 Author Share Posted August 30, 2016 This is a big issue I think as you can not correct it except by using up your USER slots. Unlike the KORGs you can not rewrite a factory tone apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Stirling Posted August 30, 2016 Author Share Posted August 30, 2016 Just noticed that when you toggle the WAV in a Hex Layer it apparently resets that layer volume to 100. This may not be an issue after all, just a programming thing. ;-) Will play with this some more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Saucier Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 In system settings>advanced, turn off intialize by wave. Also, it's not a flaw that some hex layer tones are only one layer initially. Those other layers are sometimes not needed or designed to be brought in realtime by using sliders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Stirling Posted August 30, 2016 Author Share Posted August 30, 2016 18 minutes ago, BradMZ said: In system settings>advanced, turn off intialize by wave. Also, it's not a flaw that some hex layer tones are only one layer initially. Those other layers are sometimes not needed or designed to be brought in realtime by using sliders. Thanks Brad! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Stirling Posted August 30, 2016 Author Share Posted August 30, 2016 Would help to know exactly what this setting does. The Tutorial Manual is not much help. "Init By Wave - Parameter initialization by wave selection. Select “On” to link the envelope and other parameters when a wave is selected or select “Off” not to link." Link to what and what 'other parameters' ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Saucier Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 Turning that setting OFF freezes all layer parameters when chosing waves. With it ON, layer parameters will change to default settings appropriate for the wave chosen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Stirling Posted August 30, 2016 Author Share Posted August 30, 2016 3 minutes ago, BradMZ said: Turning that setting OFF freezes all layer parameters when chosing waves. With it ON, layer parameters will change to default settings appropriate for the wave chosen. Ah! Good to know! Thank you Brad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casiokid Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 Interesting Rick? Because I've noticed Tone drift on not only HEX Tones, but also unedited Tones and even edited Tones. (ie You edit a Tone to your liking and save it, as a User Tone but when you re-boot the MZ-X500, it appears to have changed?) The default 0001 GnPianoConcert is particularly bad at sounding different at times. It is only by changing the Effect Algorithm to Compressor and saving it as a User Tone that any tonal consistency can be achieved? (ie I'm currently setting up a song that requires a good Bagpipe tone and again I am having to apply the Compressor and adjust the Tone edit Cut-off to get some consistency between switching on/off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Saucier Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 Do you have auto resume turned on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casiokid Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 No -I've read about this in the Troubleshooting section of the manual Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casiokid Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 After much experimentation I'm getting closer to understanding the Casio default Tones which have been the cause of my anxiety in my earlier post. It would appear that many of the default Tones have heavily biased Pitch Mod Depth (Go to Tone Edit -Advanced-LPO -Pitch Mod Depth) Many, for some reason, default to a Pitch Mod Depth of +08 .....which to my ears and taste is too much?..... a set value of 00 gives a more firmer sound for many Tones especially for the default 0001 GrPianoConcert and other acoustic pianos. Perhaps this is something Casio could consider? Similarly for the Bagpipe Tone (which I know is a difficult tone for arranger engineers to accurately emulate having previously owned Tyros and Korg even my earlier Casio Ckt 7000 Bagpipe Tone could give these manufacturers a run for their money which is also probably the same Tone as in the MZ-X500 which is now editable?) It's a pity that the default 0001 GrPnConcert can't be changed to my preferred version in the Initial Display from boot-up? Again a suggestion for the next Firmware Update. I can't vouch for Rick's HEX Tone problems, but I hope something of what I've learnt and tried to explain will be of help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Saucier Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 Pitch mod depth is a setting that determines how deep pitch lfo is applied to a tone when the modulation wheel is moved up. You should not hear lfo at all on a grand piano tone. What position do you have your modulation wheel? It should be all the way down. Not in the middle like the pitch wheel. As far as default tone at boot up. Edit your piano sound and write it to a user location. Go to system settings and turn on auto resume. Your edited piano will be there next time you turn it on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casiokid Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 Thanks Brad -I don't normally use the Modulation wheel for the type of stuff I play, but it has made a difference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Saucier Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 Pitch mod depth cannot make a difference in sound if you don't use the modulation wheel. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casiokid Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 Thanks to you Brad I now know this now -providing the wheel is in the off position Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Stirling Posted August 31, 2016 Author Share Posted August 31, 2016 Yes, that was a strange default setting to make on the Grand Piano (it's also set on the GM Piano 1). My main issue so far with the X500 is that you can't correct the factory tone settings to your taste without giving up a User slot. Rewriting factory settings is a feature I really like on my Korgs (PA600 and Kronos) I'd even settle for a programmable index pointer function, so when a MIDI Program Change calls for GM Piano 1 you could have the keyboard use the Tone #0001 instead of #1563, in other words X points to Y Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bimfood Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 On 8/30/2016 at 5:59 PM, Brad Saucier said: In system settings>advanced, turn off intialize by wave. Thank you Brad for this post. It help me saving life-time in the future. 😅 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jokeyman123 Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 POI-the PX560 is designed the same way for "initialize by wave". Much more editing is allowed in a hex layer single tone than in a non-hex layer tone at least with the PX560. Strange but important to understand the difference. You cannot change the default factory wav used in a single factory tone although you can edit other aspects of a single tone-you can only change the basic wav if it is a tone in a hex layer. Guess its just a part of the design architecture for these keyboards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bimfood Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 Jokeyman - thanks. I noticed the difference in editing between tones an hex. I wondered about it too. where can i See the Samples which are used in the Factory tones? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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