Egor Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 Just did a sound check for the show tonite at the pro venue that does anybody from Earth Wind & Fire to Chicago and Tony Bennet with a powerful pro PA and a pro sound crew. Using three keyboards - two Yamahas and my PX 560. The sound from PX 560 comes crapping the mains and my monitors while two other boards sound nice and clean. Looks like the Rhodes patches are the ones that distort the PA naturally being phat and powerful. The sound guys tried every possible solution and nothing helped so far. They say that the distortion is coming mainly from the left channel/ left Out. And they say the left channel is hotter then the right one both in mains and the monitors. Interesting that when I trim the low gain on keyboard the crapping almost disappears... But it is definitely not the house system that handles any kinds of pro band like I mentioned above. Does anybody have the same problem? Anything wrong with my PX 560? It is a brand new one and this is only a third gig I'm doing on it. Should I need a service or even the replacement? Any feedback would be really appreciated! Thank you in advance! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Saucier Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 It is possible to clip the PX-560 internally by overdriving gain stages inside the keyboard like mixer levels, effects levels and master EQ and compressor. Have you done any custom programming or loading of downloaded files to your PX-560? Have you altered master effects? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egor Posted December 10, 2016 Author Share Posted December 10, 2016 No, I haven't done anything like that. In fact I tried to press Grad piano button to take me to thr default settings making sure nothing was custom changed and from there I would chose Rhodes patched and it's still clipping a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jokeyman123 Posted December 11, 2016 Share Posted December 11, 2016 Can you play similar Rhodes sounds from the other keyboards you mentioned. We used to like to get a distorted sounds out of the original rhodes pianos-lent itself to it's grungy sound, especially when you spanked the keys. and the original Rhodes had their own huge speakers-handled the lows and midrange that can make mincemeat out of lesser speakers. Keyboards definitely required beefed-up speakers for live playing and if these Casio tones are even close to duplcating the frequency range of the original Rhodes, that might be the problem. I know playing the PX350 Rhodes sounds are more than the built-in speakers can handle-the midrange is the culprit. and the harmonics/frequencies you can't hear are the ones that may be doing the distortion. Try to trim down the mid-range eq, at least for those particular tones, not globally on the PX and see if that helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egor Posted December 11, 2016 Author Share Posted December 11, 2016 No, those are not a Rhodes growling. This is a an actually a speaker cracking/crapping and as I explained it's caused by a left channel which is even visually in the mixer hotter than the right channel. The signals from the left and right channels are very uneven. And it's not a bad cable or DI box.We tried all options to make sure to eliminate the possible external causes. I also explained that out of rack of keyboards I only had my Casio crapping the whole PA in the theater while all the sound boards dont show any clipping which drove all the sound engineers totally puzzled. And yes, I was able to minimize the issue with trimming the low gain every time I heard the cracking but I can do it constantly/ I had a 13 piece band to run while playing my own charts and watching the singers to lead the band property, I believe it could be simply a mechanical problem with my PX560 or a software bug and this is what I'm asking if somebody had a similar issue. Thank you guys! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Saucier Posted December 11, 2016 Share Posted December 11, 2016 I would strip down to the basics and check for clipping from the internal speakers, headphone out and line out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egor Posted December 11, 2016 Author Share Posted December 11, 2016 Thank you for the reply Brad. I dont get clipping from the internal speakers but I hear some distortion for some patches from the speakers facing me. I even have a separate forum thread about it. So, how do you recommend I go about the possibly defective unit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Saucier Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 I would also perform a factory reset and check things out again. That would help make sure the internals are actually at fault rather than a simple gain setting issue somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egor Posted December 12, 2016 Author Share Posted December 12, 2016 how do i save all my registrations that i already created ? is it in the manual somewhere i guess? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Saucier Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 With a usb drive plugged in. Press the media icon and you'll see save options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egor Posted December 13, 2016 Author Share Posted December 13, 2016 Ok, I'm a bit confused on the saving options, I expected I can just dump for example all my registrations on the USB. But instead I see Bank01 - AREA 01, Bank01 - AREA 02, Bank01 - AREA 03, Bank01 - AREA 04 Bank02 - AREA 01, Bank02 - AREA 02, Bank02 - AREA 03, Bank02 - AREA 04 etc. I'm not sure what that is. I thought there are 24 banks per each registration. But what this above doesn't make any sense to me and there is not much of an explanation in the manual. I would not be happy to go and save and rename one registration at the time. Besides I can't remember what I got in each one unless I open my show book to look up songs each registration is created for Please help. Thx! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Saucier Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 You have that backwards. There are 24 banks, each with 4 registrations which the save function calls an "area". To save everything as one file, look for something called save>all data. I don't have access to a 560 to check this but it should be there in some form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egor Posted December 13, 2016 Author Share Posted December 13, 2016 There is none. Nu such option. See the attachment. And the keyboard is still cracking every amp I tried. I think I'll be calling the Casio support... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Saucier Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 It may be under each category. If there are no options for saving all tones, registrations or rhythms, you're PX-560 is not updated to the latest firmware. Check your version under system settings>information. Should be V1.10. Here are the download and instructions for the update. DO NOT run "initialize all" until you have saved your registrations. That will delete them. http://support.casio.com/en/support/download.php?cid=008&pid=1263 If you still have distortion on output after the initialize, you might try returning it for exchange or calling your nearest service center. Where are you located? Here are USA numbers by state. https://www.casio.com/support/musicservicecenters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egor Posted December 14, 2016 Author Share Posted December 14, 2016 Yes, my firmware was outdated V.1.0 I now updated it to V.1.10 and was able to save all the registrations but I did not reset the keyboard to factory defaults. Wouldn't it bring back the outdated firmware? I have 4 gigs tomorrow and on two of them I'm using the PX 560. So, will test how it works and if there are still any distortions and will post the update tomorrow. Thank you, Brad! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Saucier Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 Initialize all does not alter the firmware. It only resets user adjustable settings and wipes user memory. It's a good idea to perform initialize all to make sure the distortion is not caused by a simple setting somewhere we have missed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egor Posted December 15, 2016 Author Share Posted December 15, 2016 ok, i did the factory reset. Still distorting, I will test it in at the New eve gala I'm doing thru the big PA and will update here. I am in Canada. Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egor Posted March 20, 2017 Author Share Posted March 20, 2017 Ok, it's still clipping the sound system. I have a rack of 4 keyboards on the stage and the Cassio is the only one that is crapping PA. Please advise how to go about replacing the unit. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Saucier Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 Here is the page for Casio Canada service contact info. http://www.casioca.com/support/authorized-service Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egor Posted April 3, 2017 Author Share Posted April 3, 2017 ok, I've been dealing with Casio in regards to my clipping sound issue and the repair centre did confirm the issue. But instead of replacing the defective unit Casio Canada decided to repair it. I'm not happy with repairing the unit that was defective right out of the box and I want it to be replaced. Any advice on how to go about it instead of repair? Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Saucier Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 The typical way to exchange is thru the retailer that sold the unit to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egor Posted April 6, 2017 Author Share Posted April 6, 2017 Thank you for heads up, Brad! It worked and the store is now confirmed getting the replacement for me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pax-eterna Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 Yep, I just got a brand new 560 and it does the same thing. Add if I add a lower bass sound for playing basslines with keys, it goes crazy with distortion (relatively speaking of course). It was an issue on the PX 5s too, although ameliorated somewhat with zero master EQ/Compression - although it cold be said that shouldn't have been necessary! It is not acceptable really for this distortion on output stages...I would have thought Casio would have learned the lesson from the PX 5s - anyhoo, mine is going back too...might even replace it with a Kurweil or other pro board! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egor Posted April 21, 2017 Author Share Posted April 21, 2017 Wow!! Didn't have a chance to check my 560 replacement with the stage PA gear yet. But if this is the case.. Hello, Casio!! Are you hearing us?! And can you do something about it?... Hellooo!!.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Saucier Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 Guys, this is starting to sound like it's simply a gain staging and dynamics issue. I've never had distortion with my PX-5S that wasn't my own fault and couldn't be fixed by simply staging correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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