Cercle Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Hi again. I'm making my first registration of four tones with the blue monster. I change the coarse in the mixer section to +5 (thanks Brad), add an effect (phaser) to one of the tones and a little bit release (+15) I go to the main screen and press Store plus registration number. Okay. Registration is saved. But when I come back to this registration, only the coarse remeans. No more effect and release. What I'm doing wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Saucier Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 You have edited the tone when you added the phaser and tweaked release time. That now needs to be written as a user tone before saving as a registration. You'll see the write button on the tone edit screen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cercle Posted July 31, 2018 Author Share Posted July 31, 2018 I imagined something like that. It's a shame, because it complicates this aspect a lot. Thank you again Bart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Cercle Posted August 1, 2018 Author Share Posted August 1, 2018 Brad sorry, not Bart. Strange that only a simple tweaking of the release makes you to have to save a entire new tone before to save the registration. I do not remember very well but, in the PX-5S is not like that, right? So I have to make 4 new user tones for every new registration?....And I see for example, only 10 user memory slots to save a synth sound???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Saucier Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 ☺️ It's ok. Yes, PX-5S does save tone edits in stage settings. As far as MZX user tones, each category has a set of user slots, 650 total. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cercle Posted August 1, 2018 Author Share Posted August 1, 2018 3 hours ago, Brad Saucier said: ☺️ It's ok. Yes, PX-5S does save tone edits in stage settings. As far as MZX user tones, each category has a set of user slots, 650 total. This is terrible....If I had know this, I did not buy the MZ-X500. I never had to have sold the PX-5s Thanks Brad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Saucier Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 Cercle, registrations will save your user tones if you first save the user tones to tone storage. It's an extra step, but it's virtually the same result as the PX-5S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cercle Posted August 1, 2018 Author Share Posted August 1, 2018 46 minutes ago, Brad Saucier said: Cercle, registrations will save your user tones if you first save the user tones to tone storage. It's an extra step, but it's virtually the same result as the PX-5S. The result is the same yes, but after a lot of extra work and waste of time. And yes, the MZ has about 650 memory slots, but these are subdivided in categories! You can only save 10 piano sounds, 10 synth sounds, enz.. Almost unuseable user tone memory. And yes, you can still save in the usb pendrive...I know....but the device itselfs has a jurassic workflow. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Saucier Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 10 hours ago, Cercle said: So I have to make 4 new user tones for every new registration? If you tweaked a piano for instance, it's already done for use in another registration. No need to make another one for another registration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cercle Posted August 1, 2018 Author Share Posted August 1, 2018 5 minutes ago, Brad Saucier said: If you tweaked a piano for instance, it's already done for use in another registration. No need to make another one for another registration. Fortunately, because there are only 10 memory slots for piano sounds... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anotherscott Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, Cercle said: yes, the MZ has about 650 memory slots, but these are subdivided in categories! You can only save 10 piano sounds, 10 synth sounds, enz.. Almost unuseable user tone memory. I was hoping there was something yet for me to discover here. The PX560 has a nice trick where you can pretty much save your users sounds anywhere (as long as you keep standard and hexlayer tones segregated, IIRC). So I created a single screen with, for example, my favorite Piano, Rhodes, Wurli, string, brass, vibes, flute, and clav sounds. Easy, fast switching. There is no way to do this on the MZ, right? Registrations comes close (I can create a set of 8 registrations that consist of nothing but those 8 sounds), or I think I can save all 8 sounds within a single registration and switch among them using the solo buttons on the mixer screens (4 at a time), but the advantage of saving them on a screen of user tones is that they can easily be split-and-layered with each other as you play, something I don't think you can do if you'e accessing the sounds via registrations. Any hints for best possible workarounds? I guess I could create a chart and do number pad entry, but that's more cumbersome than a single press in a sound-name. (And actually, I had 24 sounds, grouped on to 3 adjacent pages of 8!) Something else for my wish list... I wish I could move sounds around within their categories, so that my favorite string sounds come up at the top of the strings list, etc. Any way to accomplish anything like this? ETA: Brad answered my related query in the facebook group... "Press and hold the tone category button to shortcut to user tones." Very helpful! So if you move (even unchanged) copies of your favorite sounds in a group to User locations, you can get to them more quickly this way (though they will still have to remain in their own categories). and p.s. -- while using Solo to switch among 16 favorite sounds from the Mixer screen might be a useful trick sometimes, unlike the other modes, sounds will cut off when you switch from one to the other. Edited August 2, 2018 by anotherscott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cercle Posted August 3, 2018 Author Share Posted August 3, 2018 I like the release feature and I just discovered a trick. By editing the modulation wheel or the K buttons, you will get release of whatever midi cc you want in your registration, without altering the tones. This means, without to have to save a new tone. Ok. Release for all 4 tones....but, it's beter than nothing. Cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cercle Posted August 3, 2018 Author Share Posted August 3, 2018 Mmmmm.... Brad... The device do not saves the Release and Attack value changes of K1 and K2... I set Release and Attack at 112, I save the registration, but when I come back the both values are 64... Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cercle Posted August 3, 2018 Author Share Posted August 3, 2018 K1 K2 EQ settings of other registrations are correct saved...strange... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Saucier Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 That works the same as the PX-5S. Effects settings made by K1 and K2 can be saved but tone edits cannot. The tone must be edited the usual way and saved as a user tone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cercle Posted August 3, 2018 Author Share Posted August 3, 2018 Right. Thanks again Brad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anotherscott Posted August 11, 2018 Share Posted August 11, 2018 On 8/1/2018 at 6:13 PM, anotherscott said: I was hoping there was something yet for me to discover here. The PX560 has a nice trick where you can pretty much save your users sounds anywhere (as long as you keep standard and hexlayer tones segregated, IIRC). So I created a single screen with, for example, my favorite Piano, Rhodes, Wurli, string, brass, vibes, flute, and clav sounds. Easy, fast switching. There is no way to do this on the MZ, right? It turns out that the MZ does this trick too! As Brad said in the thread at http://www.casiomusicforums.com/index.php?/topic/12381-need-midi-issue-solved-if-possible/ "If tones are saved to usb, they can be loaded into any user category. So you can combine everything into one area. " Cool! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Saucier Posted August 11, 2018 Share Posted August 11, 2018 35 minutes ago, anotherscott said: It turns out that the MZ does this trick too! As Brad said in the thread at http://www.casiomusicforums.com/index.php?/topic/12381-need-midi-issue-solved-if-possible/ "If tones are saved to usb, they can be loaded into any user category. So you can combine everything into one area. " Cool! Actually, it only works for ZTN files on the MZ. ZLT, ZPF and ZDR require the proper category. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anotherscott Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 Oh, I think that's basically the same as the PX560 then... you could mix and match all your regular tones in one category, except hexlayers had to go in their own category. I guess a bit more problematic in the MZ-X500 because there are even more than just the two categories. An unfortunate limitation, but might still be pretty useful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjy Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 To save from posting a new thread - what's the difference between a registration and user tone? Both got mentioned here. I come from a CTK background (mainly CTK-601), where synthesiser mode could save attack, delay etc into user tones. Think it had 16 or 32 user tones, but I'm not familiar with registrations in this context. I do seem to remember something called 'registration memory' though, which was to do with the general set-up of the keyboard. Like it remembers your last settings or you want to recall a setting for a particular piece of music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Saucier Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 Yes Benjy, that's exactly it. The CTK you mention had 6 registrations, if I remember correctly. They simply save keyboard setups, which tones are called up, rhythms, effects, etc. Todays models have many more registrations to store setups in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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