mute certain keys on 560

[Doch88]

Play the 560 live, control various loops on my DAW live via a MIDI floor switch pedal. But thinking of changing to control the DAW loops via MIDI from the 560 from the lowest 6 keys on the 560, let's call it keys A-D, MIDI A0 through D1. 

 

What's the best way to make these 6 keys silent, ie produce no internal 560 patch sound when pressed, just send a MIDI signal when the key is pressed to my DAW? Is there a global setting to make these 6 560 keyboard keys silent for all patches? Or do I have to set up something for each sound patch on the 560?  What's the best/easiest way to make such a change if this is possible either way?

 

Thanks. 

[Brad Saucier]

The simplest way I can think of, simply turn on a split, adjust your split point, and turn turn off lower 1 part in the mixer.  I think it will still send notes via MIDI that way.  Save that as a registration.  

[Doch88]

Thanks Brad for the reply. I was thinking in these lines too but the problem is on a few reg patches I use, the keyboard is already split into 2 sounds...bass for the bottom, piano for the top. Now I don't need to use the bass sound anywhere near that lowest octave at least while playing live, do you know if there's a way to stop the sound from playing/turn off the sound in another way on those lowest keys in the bottom split given the keyboard is already split but still allow midi to be xmitted?  

[Brad Saucier]

You would need a split within a split to do what you're asking, which is possible because of hex layer tones.  You could create a hex layer tone that has a split within it, which would be a silent layer which consists of only a few keys plus whatever other sound you want for the rest.

[Mike Martin]

If you primary sound is a Hex Layer tone you can adjust the ranges of those layers so they don't produce any sound.  That is the best way I can think of.

[Doch88]

ahh, perfect, didn't know that and sounds like it will be exactly what I need. Thank you kindly Brad and Mike.

[Doch88]

Alright, so far so good....hex method works great. Also have some patches of just the piano sound on the entire keyboard, I split as suggested/assigned a bass sound to the left spilt point of the last few keys, turned the volume down in balance to zero for the bass sound, and works perfect, soundless 6 bottom keys but still sends MIDI commands to my DAW perfectly.

 

But strange finding....have the MIDI channel set to 1 on the 560 on the main menu, "MIDI", "KEYBOARD CHANNEL = 1".  When I press  any key on the 560 to set that key to make something happen in the DAW, it does that fine, BUT the MIDI channel is recorded 2 higher in the DAW than what is set on the 560....ie, 560 has midi channel set to 1 in the Master setting, but DAW is receiving/recording it as midi channel 3.....set 560 channel to 2, DAW records midi channel as 4, to get MIDI channel as 1 on the DAW, have to set 560 midi channel to 15......I can't find anything in the DAW that is transposing the channels up by 2. I also have a MIDI footswitch that can talk to the DAW/send commands and that's xmitting on midi channel 1, and the DAW is recording on 1, so I don't think it's a DAW issue, somehow I have something set wrong on the 560....any ideas?

 

Also, what is "HI-Res Vel out" in MIDI settings do in the real world?  Manual says just turns it on or off. Does odd things on the key off when programming into my DAW...key on programs one value, key off programs another.

[Brad Saucier]

That seems odd.  Upper 1 channel should be the same as the keyboard channel setting.    Upper 2, lower 1 and lower 2 will send on channels 2, 3 and 4.  

[Doch88]

I think this is where I'm missing something.....I thought having the global/high level MIDI channel set at 1, any sound part being played,   Lower 1/2, Upper 1/2, if there's that many sounds, will all xmit on MIDI channel 1?

[Brad Saucier]

Each part of the PX-560 transmits data on a different channel.  The only assignable part is upper 1, by changing the keyboard channel setting. 

[Doch88]

 So there's no way to change the MIDI channel for lower 1, 2 and upper 2, one just can change the MIDI channel for upper 1 sound? I was digging a bit to find it and couldn't. 

[Brad Saucier]

The only assignable part is upper 1.  The manual has a chart showing the fixed channel assignments for each part.  

[Doch88]

 ah, bummer, ok. Would be really nice to have each part have it's own modifiable MIDI channel for flexibility. In my case it's no big deal, I'll just record the fixed MIDI channel it's stuck on to the DAW.

 

What I still don't understand is how changing the keyboard MIDI global channel also changes the MIDI channel xmitted of the lower 1 sound I have programmed to be silent(sound turned to 0) to trigger my DAW is offset by 2  as I explained a few post above.....this seems to indicate the master MIDI channel that is only suppose to change Upper 1 MIDI channel does more than that.  In any case, thanks again for the information Brad.