Egor Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Hi there, I set up a registration where I have piano sound and turned on Layer and another registration with both Split and Layer and control the layer sound (in my case Mellow Strings) with the expression pedal. But It is not clear how to change the Upper tone while in Split and/or Layer modes. It seems that in Split/Layer modes I can not even select any other sounds unless I go back to disable those modes. All I can change the U2 and L tones. But this is the last thing I wanna do. Especially in the split mode. I don't need to change the bass sound constantly but I wanna select a different instrument for my right hand often. And just wanna have my the same layer sound ready till and when I need it to blow it with the expression pedal and be able meanwhile to change the main sounds on the Upper Tone1 - different piano and el. piano sounds, etc. That's how I use in on my PX 560. So far the only way I found to do it is first to turn off split and/or layer then scroll back to Tones mode, select a new tone them go back to Knobs mode and enable Split/Layer again. But this is a huge Can you please advise? Thank you!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Saucier Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Hi Egor. I'm not sure how it's done on the keyboard itself, but it looks like you can do it using the remote controller feature in the "Chordana Play for Piano" app. There is a menu screen with quick access to all 3 tones as seen below ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egor Posted June 19, 2019 Author Share Posted June 19, 2019 Hi Brad, Thank you for the respond. I din't connect Chordana to to my PX S yet as i don't have a lightning to USB adapter and first need to get it. But that would not be the best solution for me at the live gigs when I have two keyboards, leading the band, need to change sounds quick and especially on the reading gigs when I have all my charts in on Four Score on my iPad and have no way to to switch between apps in the meddle of playing.... It's gotta be a way to do it on the keyboard itself. Hopefully someone knows how. Regards! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Tompkins Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 6 hours ago, Egor said: So far the only way I found to do it is to turn off split and/or layer scroll back to Tones mode, select a new tone them go back to Knobs mode and enable Split/Layer again. But this it a huge pain! and takes time and not smooth and clumsy during the live performance. Egor, you are correct. When editing registrations on the PX-S3000 you must turn off Layer and Split to select a new tone for Upper 1. In fact, you can't change the Upper 2 tone either, unless Split is off. Once you've selected a new tone for Layer 1 you can turn Layer and Split back on and they will recall the Upper 2 and Lower tones you had previously selected. This requires toggling often between Tone and Registration mode using the Function button, and turning Split and Later on and off frequently. If you want to audition multiple Layer/Split combinations this can get pretty tedious. The Chordana Play for Piano app makes life much easier as you can see your tones in a Split/Layer all at once and easily change them. The app seems to work well on iOS devices, but I've read of mixed results on Android devices depending on how USB-OTG is implemented. I don't have an iPad, but even on my relatively small iPhone 6 screen it's pretty easy to edit registrations and other settings on the PX-S3000. I've learned my way around the keyboard pretty well, so I often don't even use the app when making a few quick edits. I don't plan to even use the app on gigs as I have all my registrations set up ahead of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egor Posted June 19, 2019 Author Share Posted June 19, 2019 Thanks, Rod, Yes, I do have different registrations set up but on live gigs you can't predict what sound you may need sometimes and especially when faking. Also based on the room sound and band sound and the tune sound sometimes I try different patches of piano for example or different electric pianos to find the best fit. And that means I'd be very limited to a few only sounds saved in the registrations. You can't save all the sounds in the registrations. Besides, you can't name the registrations. So if you have many of them, the only way to find the one you need is to memorize a few locations or mark the location in the charts when reading charts. Also, on my PX560 at least I can visually see what sounds I have in a registration so at least this helps to to find a registration needed. And, yes, like you I don't want to add a mobile device to my setup just to switch sounds especially as I explained above when I use my iPad for charts on reading gigs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Tompkins Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 These reasons and others are why the S3000 is not considered a viable gigging instrument for some players. I knew of all these issues before I bought one, but I have been very happy with it so far. I do solo gigs mostly, occasionally adding one or two sidemen, and I don't need a huge palette of different sounds for instant recall, so I can make it work for me. The great piano sounds (and others) and the great key action in such a compact and light chassis make it a win for me. It has some features the 560 doesn't have, and I have found workarounds for some of the issues that bug me, like the lack of triple pedal programmability. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egor Posted June 19, 2019 Author Share Posted June 19, 2019 Hi Rod, as I mentioned in Facebook group, If that’s how the PX S operates it’s a major drawback in this model and could lead to less sales and it needs to be addressed by Casio developers ASAP. Such a great instrument can not be wasted for home usage or music studios. It is a professional keyboard to me but needs to have some software improvements done. I don't think it is that difficult or impossible to implement but will give so much value to it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Muscara Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 The fact is there have been tons of Casio models that operate this way. JMO, but this is why the PX-S isn't marketed as a "Privia Pro" model like the PX-5S and PX-560. That being said, you are sort of right in that the PX-S models are so good they are drawing the attention of players who want more advanced features. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egor Posted June 20, 2019 Author Share Posted June 20, 2019 Actually it is called 'stage' piano and the gig bag made for this model tell me it IS a pro model. If the top sounds in Layer and Split mode can be changed in Chordana app then Im sure it can be made possible to do on keyboard and is just a matter of improving the software. Wonder how can I effectively address these my concerns with Casio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Martin Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 Egor, The answer to the question is it is not possible without... 1. Using the App 2. Using Registrations Registrations gives you the flexibility that you need, you'll just have to prepare them in advance. As it has been pointed out this is exactly how many of our instruments have operated for years. We do have other instruments like the PX-560 that handle these things in a more elegant way. Your concerns are heard and I'll pass them along to the team in Japan but the instrument is operating as designed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egor Posted June 21, 2019 Author Share Posted June 21, 2019 Hi, Mike, Thanks for dropping by! As I mentioned earlier, I can not use Chordana app on my lives gigs where I already use my iPad for my charts with the Forscore app. Plus, on many I have two keyboards to play, to lead/count-in/conduct the band and get my own next chart ready and set my other keyboard. I have no means/time to go back and forth between Forscore and Chordana apps just to switch the tone on one of the keyboards. With registrations you can not predict all the situations on a live fake gigs and based on the room and band sound. Besides, because you can not name Registrations you then have to memorize tens if not hundreds locations with the setups/sounds you may need to find on the fly. The biggest problem is on the PXS3000 I can't even select a new sound if needed without first going to one of the registrations and disabling Ly and/or Sp and only after that I can get back to tones to find what i need. I can not afford it on live gigs, I'm sure you know what I'm talking about. I do own PX560 and CTX500 (and XWp1 too btw) but this is first time I'm facing such an inconvenience with PXS3000 which is very disappointing... and BTW, no good Wurli sound or a good Rhodes comes preloaded... Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Martin Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 Egor, PX-S3000 is focused first and foremost on the piano experience. It has some major advancements in this area that make it one of the best pianos Casio has ever made and getting much recognition in the industry for this reason. While it does have a wide variety of sounds with rather deep editing (never before at this price point) it is not a replacement for products like the PX-560 or PX-5S which at are a higher price point for a reason. This includes better Rhodes, Wurly and synth sounds not to mention real-time control and MIDI features. There are different products at different price points to satisfy different customers. It is simply not realistic to ask for the $800 model to do everything the $1200 model does. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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