replace px5s?

[stefanocps]

Hello, finally i bought un acoustic piano and for space reason i might need to give away my Casio PX5S. I need a smaller instruments to put under the desk or when needed keep on the table. Now as first i say that is almost 10 year i have casio digital piano, first PX3 and now PX5 and 99% of th etime i used just as master controller. When i wanted play piano i se the piano with a vst instrument, and also i use the piano for programming with pc. So wether i know of the very nice potential of the caso piano i found myself using it only for the nice feeling of the keys and action, in a way seems kind of wasted. SO now that i need to have more space available i am considering 2 option. Get a master controller Studiologic SL73, that is shorter, nice keyboard but not as good as the px5s. Otherwise could get a CDP s100, still smaller than the PX5S, not as small as Studiologic but at least ihave an addon, the speakers. What i don't like of it is that there is no possibility to "split" the keyboard, and this is somehting i might need, for example when using with VST and want bass on left and piano on right. The keyboard of CDP also is not as good as PX5S, which remain a very nice instruments..though an old project.

What i would like to know is about the ossibility of splitting the cdp, and also, towho have experienced it, what is the feeling to downgrade form 88 to 73, this is in case i chooe Studiologic

Thanks for opinion and info!

 

p.s. i might consider the px1000, which should have better keyboard than cdp(the same of px5s?) and also speakers and probably better midi capabilities..if i find a good second hand

[Brad Saucier]

I would keep the PX-5S.  You won't find another Casio piano more flexible than that one as far as MIDI controller.  

[stefanocps]

i know an i totally agree. To keep to PX5s i would need to change my desk, and make big change in my setup for work/play. Nothing impossible, it will have its cost and its difficult to find the proper desk. I need to keep the px5s on the stand just under the desk wher ei work, and slide it out when i'll use it. My desk now is not enough large to accomodate so need to find a desk which is large enough between the legs and also tall enough to have the desk at right height and accomodate the keyboard under the table at not so low height (px5s is really tall..)...If i would find a good keyboard to replace PX5s it would be easier, but i see it is  not easy to replace it. EVen if i use it mainly as master controller it still very good and i don't see better or similar keybaord around

 

But for what i have see now the only keyboard i could use keeping my desk is the Studiologic 73 keys. It is nice, though the key action....different world compare to PX5s, and also i don't know how i will react using a 73 being used to 88

[Brad Saucier]

The longest dimension of the PX-5S is about the same as the other 88 key Casio models you mentioned, 52 inches.  The space savings on CDP-S and PX-S models is in the height and depth dimensions.  

[stefanocps]

lenght is surely an issue, (unless 73 keys master) but if i change my desk lenght is solved, while  height still would be an issue as if i want a table at normal height then the keyboard on stand should be a perhaps too low height. Would be great if exists a keyboard stand than can easily be lowered and lifted..   btw do you know of anything similar?

[Brad Saucier]

Sorry, I don't know of anything like that offhand.  Most of the music desks I have seen have a keyboard shelf on drawer glides of some sort.  Everything seems like a compromise however.  I made a custom setup for mine, but I still have issues and things I would like to change.  

[stefanocps]

i donìt have a musik desk, as i us emy desk for my work with computer non music related also. I think music desk are too high to be confortable for a long session to comnputer work. That s just beacuse they need the space for the keyboard under it

[Joe Muscara]

Does this help?

 

 

[stefanocps]

Basically is what i wanto to do, but i did not think of the wheel on the stand that coul make easier to slide it in/out. Can slide it even without though...but the main issus is another: to have the stand moving up and down in height so to fit well when under the table and be at right playable height when out. As i use my table for work also and i spend many hours sitting at it, the main need is that the table is at ergonomic standard..for me at an height of 72/73 cm. Put a keyboard under it means to put it at a quite low height...

[Jokeyman123]

Joe-I recognize the stand under the desk-I have one I use for the PX's as a portable with wheels very solid stand. And chiming in because Stephano-this stand is easily height-adjustable-there are little push-buttons on springs that have matching holes up and down the frame-just push one in on each side-and pull the stand up a notch or 2. Exactly why I have one-I can use it sitting down at piano height-or pull it up and play standing-I also use it with a "Malletkat" midi mallet instrument which needs a slightly different standing height than a keyboard to play vibes, marimba other mallet percussion parts. Each notch adjustment is about 2-3 inches I recall-don't have it in front of me-does adjust to a perfect height for playing piano. I think I only paid around 60.00 US for it. I bought 2, and gave one to my brother for his Privia-these are so sturdy-I can slap a shelf on it and use as a work-table for music modules, recorder, anything I need to wheel around. And it can be widened to accomodate 88-keys easily.

[stefanocps]

can you adjust the stand up or down with the piano sitting on the stand?no much effort?

[anotherscott]

10 minutes ago, stefanocps said:

can you adjust the stand up or down with the piano sitting on the stand?no much effort?

 

I think you would need something motorized for that, like the K&M 18800 Omega-E. But it costs more than your PX-5S.

[stefanocps]

i have found this also

https://www.thomann.de/it/roadworx_multi_electric_stand.htm

much cheaper , could be a solution, especially if i find a second hand one!

[Jokeyman123]

If its one of the Casio privias-these are light enough-to adjust manually a notch or two. If you want electronic automation of course it will cost alot more. I just adjust one end at a time-not too hard. If you are supporting a heavy controller-like a Montage, Studiologic or other heavy 88-key weighted keyboard would be harder. I can adjust this stand with 2 hands easily enough with any of the Privias while these are on the stand. and with this Thomann stand-is 61cm short enough to fit under your desk with a keyboard on it? The stand shown in Joe's picture can be adjusted rather low, maybe lower than this automated stand. Have to do some measurements to be sure. You might also look into drawer-slide type fittings that might swing or adjust up and out from under a desk. Might be hardware pieces that can do that.

[stefanocps]

55 minutes ago, Jokeyman123 said:

If its one of the Casio privias-these are light enough-to adjust manually a notch or two. If you want electronic automation of course it will cost alot more. I just adjust one end at a time-not too hard. If you are supporting a heavy controller-like a Montage, Studiologic or other heavy 88-key weighted keyboard would be harder. I can adjust this stand with 2 hands easily enough with any of the Privias while these are on the stand. and with this Thomann stand-is 61cm short enough to fit under your desk with a keyboard on it? The stand shown in Joe's picture can be adjusted rather low, maybe lower than this automated stand. Have to do some measurements to be sure. You might also look into drawer-slide type fittings that might swing or adjust up and out from under a desk. Might be hardware pieces that can do that.

yes, you said the 2 best solutions. One is the sliding table under the desk, i am trying to make a plan for a desk like that, and can be a good solution. The other one also must be a good one. I am used to my x type stand, where it is not easy to change height with the keyboard sitting... that springed pin in the center of the X it is not easy at all (also because it is old and stiff). But as you say, other stand, like yours, might be much better in doing that. And yes at this point the minimum height became important! Not many has minimum at 50 cm..that i think should be the minimum

 

at this point any stand that has an easy way to change the height, could be good, as long as it has the proper minimum height

[anotherscott]

I like this inexpenseive stand that changes heights easily. And unlike an X, it doesn't change width as you change height. But I don't think anything will let you adjust it easily with the weight of a keyboard on it. I guess it also depends how strong you are and whether you can position yourself with sufficient leverage. There's also the complication that you probably need to adjust one side and then the other, which means you have an interim period of more precarious balance.

[stefanocps]

52 minutes ago, anotherscott said:

I like this inexpenseive stand that changes heights easily. And unlike an X, it doesn't change width as you change height. But I don't think anything will let you adjust it easily with the weight of a keyboard on it. I guess it also depends how strong you are and whether you can position yourself with sufficient leverage. There's also the complication that you probably need to adjust one side and then the other, which means you have an interim period of more precarious balance.

i know i would rather have a quick procedure, but if the thing is easy like Jockeyman123 says, it should a matter of couple of minutes